You might have to cut them off with a dremel tool and cut off wheel. You could cut the nut or the head off, without destroying the crate (too much). I suggest cutting off whatever is on the bottom side so whatever "scarring there is won't be real noticeable. -Bob George Enchanted Vista, Home of: CH Rocknoll Ajax Nike Clayfield CD, RN; Alkay's Black Velvet; CH Jerrwen's Southern Belle; CH Jerrwen's Georgiana HIC; Hi Dreams Allegra v. Regency; BISS, RBIM, CH Enchanted's American Anthem TC; CH Enchanted's Big Gun v. Sunfarms HIC; Enchanted's Double Take; Enchanted Vista's Lone Star; CH Jim-Sina's Raven TC; and Sunfarm's Dragon Warrior v Enchanted. Member, GSDCA, ELPGSDC, CNMGSDC ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================