Interesting I guess..but I prefer the way we do it at our National. A German Shepherd Dog with a Herding title or any other working title can compete in the Breed or ANY regular classes. Why separate them at a conformation show?? They should be judged at a conformation show for how they compare to the Breed Standard. If they earn a Select with an OFA....they earn Select EXCELLENT. If they earn Select with an OFA AND a working title, they are given the Award Of Excellence. Why separate them in conformation? We have Obedience and Rally and Herding and SchH...etc. We let Champions compete in that. Why not strive for the higher standard of excellence that celebrates the Breed according to their Standard....and to do that we should be willing to actually COMPETE against other dogs and judged according to our Breed Standard. Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.marhaven.com Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Room for everyone The Labrador people do it at specialties. They have a hunting retriever (?) class. I believe that is what it is called. Labs who are have hunting titles but may or may not have conformation CH can compete in this class against each other. Barb Hively - PA DNA. It's what makes a white, a German Shepherd -----Original Message----- From: Ileana <inquestgsd@xxxxxxx> Are you kidding me? How many classes do we need to justify deviating from the standard? How can we expect to educate new judges, and new people, with all these inconsistencies? Ileana On Jan 26, 2013, at 7:56 PM, Theresa-GSD Stolz-Scenecrest Farm <scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > In my horse breed we have a class called Classic Pleasure In-Hand; Western In-Hand, etc for horses that are not the type that are showing today. > > So, why not GSDCA have a conformation class for the GSD called Heritage-Old Style, etc. just maybe you would have several dogs attending. Now, I am not saying to let down on the Breed Standards, just go by the one years ago. I think it might be surprising of the owners and dogs attend. > > Since I also attend the UKC Dog Shows, their classes seem to have much more GSD's in attendence than AKC. I do live near the UKC Headquarters so do get to see both UKC and AKC GSD's. Having the GSD being the 2nd most popular AKC dog doesn't seem classes should be so small for them. > > Theresa ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================