In a message dated 5/24/2009 9:20:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, shadowland22000@xxxxxxxxx writes: I fail to see why this is even an ISSUE. Anyone can see a dog at a Show, and try to purchase that dog, whether a Judge, Handler, Breeder or fancier. And I'm sure many do - I'm also sure that any of the above said people are going to Purchase a dog meeting THEIR criteria of a "GREAT GSD". So what is the PROBELEM? Maybe no one wants to say so, but the accusation is that the person, a judge, only put up the dog, because they had arranged to buy him. Or, that they planned to buy the dog, and enhance the reputation of the animal with the win before the purchase. This is as foolish as the four month rule. I was thinking about this last night, (thinking is always dangerous for me), and realized at a show I was to judge, I would have to get out my calendar and make sure that I had not used a handler for four months prior to the show, if that handler was going to show to me. I don't know if that is by days, (what about a 31 day month, or if there is a February in there, do you have to count extra days?) or just by date? What if I had prepared a will for that handler, or the handler's wife, mother, or daughter? What if I had represented her son in a drunk driving class within four months, or sold her an old television? I can imagine if I judged an entry that The Guz handled, I would have to make sure 120 days have gone by, (I don't think he has shown for me for that long), and ignore the 35 years that he handled my dogs. I would ignore the long friendship I had with him and the times I met with his family and was at his home or he at mine. I would forget the jokes and stories we have exchanged, and the time he stayed with Tedi and I at the national before his room was ready. It would be fine, so long as 120 days had passed. That would make me an honest man, and I could judge his dog, honestly at that time, but not before. In truth, there are a few people who won't show under me, or who I won't enter under. It is not ethics, honesty, or concern about politics. It is just plain courtesy. Or, they have a good idea of what I like, and don't believe they have that dog. Yesterday I was talking to Twyla about this. We agreed there is little politics in judging, (she thinks there is more than I do), but weakness in judging where a judge is intimidated by a handler or owner. Perhaps this is the problem, and no time limits will cure it. All we can do is accept the rules, try to abide by them, and enjoy our sport. Instead of taking so much energy to grasp the violations, let's take more time to recognize the dedication and time judges donate to help us have fun with our dogs. You can, if you look hard enough, find a contact with any winner and any judge. That does not make it a crooked win. It just makes you a clever person. Evan L. Ginsburg Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322948x1201367184/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=May ExcfooterNO62) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================