[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Right after lunch

  • From: jmorehead <jmorehead@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: ELG440@xxxxxxx, Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 16:25:02 -0800 (PST)

Thank you, Evan, for keeping us posted.
Sounds as though the board is hard at work with lots of ideas.
One that I haven't seen mentioned is reducing the size of the board.
I had hoped that would garner some support.
Joan Morehead




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Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Right after lunch

Gary is talking about ways to fix the Review problems. There are ways to  
save money, by going by-monthly, going black and white, going a smaller size, 
and other changes.  The board is discussing it.

There are a lot of choices, and Gary did check on the printing cost, and we 
are getting a great price.  This is mainly due to the club losing so much  
money.

Dorothy doesnâ??t want to make it less quality. Jimmy doesnâ??t want to make 
it  bi-monthly, and he feels the Review is a reason to belong to the GSDCA, 
and will  not help us gain members.  Even if we go to black and white, it may 
make it  more cost effective.

Carole says the purpose of the Review isnâ??t just to advertise, but to give  
information to the members.  Since so few are advertising, and limiting the 
number of issues would allow us to increase the advertising and  
information.

If we went away from color, it wouldnâ??t make much difference since we get  
paid for the ad.  Bart thinks to reduce the size is not a good idea since  
is was such an issue.

Lana suggests to go quarterly.  She thinks other clubs have gone to  that, 
and it works for corgies.

Pam talks about what impact it has on the public. Since most people now go  
to the Internet, maybe bi-monthly would work.

Fred said most people can only afford a black and white ad, and no one  
looks at them because the color takes away too much from the other ads. He is 
in  favor of the smaller size and black and white.

Nancy wanted to know the difference of postage.  Gary says it would  reduce 
the costs.  However, if it got thicker it would be no savings.

Carmen says the Review is just a way to help with reducing income.  He  
wants to find a way for cutting $51,000 out of the clubâ??s cost factors. 
Maybe  
the Review isnâ??t the problem. Tish says the Review is so important to our  
membership that we should hear from them.

At lunch I talked to Tish and said no one seems to mention the  members.  I 
think she understood me, and might have mentioned it to  others.

Zoe says the ads are too high, and that we should make the magazine  
advertising a more level playing field.

Fred again talks about the popularity of the Review and that the months  
that are meaningful are those before the national. If we go to a less often  
magazine, how do you solve that problem.

Frank now is talking about board meeting costs.  2008 $40,880, 2009  
$50,000 2010 $42,000.  He suggests one of them being by  teleconference.  
This 
is 

another way to save money for the club. There are  a lot of ideas how to do 
it, but everyone seems to like the idea.  Bart  thinks maybe three four hour 
meetings.  If we have a teleconference we  would save about 1/3 of the 
costs for each meeting.  That would save about  $15,000 to $18,000 for the 
year.

Dean talks about the value of it, and doesnâ??t know if it is worth it. Pam  
uses this all the time with Wells Fargo.  Frank explains how it  works.  No 
one knows the costs, but they will look into it.

Frank addresses the accounting fees and it will be about 1/3

Insurance in 2008 $28K  2009 $11K and 2010 $17,000 These costs  are to be 
investigated no one seems to know why.  The actual insurace costs  have gone 
down, not up like some people say.

Elections $18, $18 and $20 thousand. So, it is going to be sent out for bid 
again.  It is going to be investigated.  The AKC wonâ??t let there be  
electronic voting.  Laura tried to get some quotes, and did not get any  
reasonable response.

Ken said Honest Ballot was the cheapest we could find and they seem to do a 
good job.  We need someone who knows what we are doing, or we have a mess  
like we did when we left them.

Suggest we send it out to bid.

National losses.  Suggest Rau spend $4,500 for postage with entries.  Then 
he sent it again to everyone who used to enter so some got two.  They  could 
limit it to those who entered in the last three years. 

Gary moves to approve another committee to determine the losses from 2006  
to 20010.  He suggested VanDukman, Bill Holt, Sam Israel, Bill  Pfeiffer.  
There is a motion to keep Bill off the committee as he has  a conflict as he 
was the treasurrer. 

Ken said we have a forensic audit for those years that we paid a lot of  
money for. Why do it again?

Bart says Bill is only 1/4 of the committee and Lana says Bill should not  
be on the committee that the members may not trust him to look at himself.  
Pam agrees, the appearance of having Bill on the committee is not good.  

Laura suggest Leon Butler instead of Bill.  Nadine wants to know  where 
she will find the time to do another review?

Jim doesnâ??t think it is a problem to have Bill on the committee.  Jim  says 
anything we can do to make the club more responsible in the future.

There are some hostile comments now being made.  I can see there is  more 
tension and the issue of Bill Pfeiffer is one that seems to raise some  
hackles.

There is a vote to remove Bill as a committee member.  I see nine not  to 
have Bill on it.  Now eight. Nine against the amendment.  Bill  stays on the 
committee.  Tish breaks the tie, and so Bill will not be on  the committee.  

The motion is to have a committee to review the records and report to the  
board.  This will be an internal audit to find out why the decrease of the  
net worth.  The motion passed.

These people work so hard.

Another committee to research the election process of other clubs and what  
they do in their clubs. Is our costs similar to other breed clubs?

Nancy said she wants to look at the number of board members and Gary agrees 
that is something to be determined.  

This is to be reported to the July board meeting.  Motion  passes.  Gary 
asks for suggestions to do this, and Pam suggests Gary.  Gary is voted to 
chair.

Bill Bergraff on the National.  The 2009 and 2010 nationals.  Bill wants a 
better breakdown to the expenses.  The 2009 national cost more  since 
expenses were supposed to be $20,000 and ended up being $40,000. The C  course 
being moved cause a great deal more expense. We had to board the sheep,  etc 
for four more days.  Bill says it was a shift of expense.  I donâ??t  know 
what 
that means and no one asked. 

He had to spend another $4,000 for seating for medical and tents for  WDA.  
Bill says we have to plan ahead better.  The board has to  consider 
carefully.

Bill came her Monday and looked at Ontario and Pomonna. Pomonna is the  
Fairplex.  It is good, but cost too much.  We could do it if we went  
outside. 
Bill is not afraid to come to California, but like Salt Lake it was too  far 
to get to.  The cost was less, but the entry was too low.  Costs  of travel 
are getting higher and higher.  California isnâ??t too bad, if we  can get 
the costs down.  He will get a proposal for us.
It is clear that  the key for this meeting is how to save money for the 
club. That is a good  thing.

Bill suggests starting the show to give a profit $25,000 or so.  He  
suggests starting younger puppy classes.  The Tuesday show is an option,  and 
we 

might was to do 4-6 puppies. He wants to have the show before the  national 
on Wednesday.  He also suggest splitting the 12-18 into two age  groups. 

The show before the national to 4-6, amateur class, and 12-15 and 16-18,  
This would be for both shows, the show before the national and national.  
Bart is against it because it will add the size of the national.  He thinks  
we should reduce the national, not expand it.

Carole wants to add to the national, but with the same number of  days.  
Bill wants to move the beginning to Wednesday and cut off  Tuesday.  The idea 
is to limit the national to three days and one day for  the other show.  The 
motion is passed to add the additional classes.  

The next vote is to have the show before the show on Wednesday.

Jim suggests to schedule the days by the entries.  He suggest to have  the 
Futurity/Maturity on Thursday so people donâ??t have to come on Wednesday.  
Also, he wants to start on time, not do it like it has been done. He is a real 
valuable person on the board. He seems to be the only person who knows the 
real  problems of showing.

Nancy says this is going to be a problem with the 2013 show, so we might as 
well face it now. 

Carmen suggests rather than talk about it, and next year do it that way,  
and bite the bullet and decide when we are going to start the national for 
next  year.  He points out that we need to limit the national in time.  He  
suggests it start on Thursday and do it in three days, start on time, and move 
it forward.  Carmen is talking about all the members and the need to be  
there.

I am sitting with Stormy and between us, we are getting the notes  right.

Laura says we need to push the judges.  Bob Grady wants to speak as  the 
head steward, and he was not allowed. Fred points out that everyone started  
the next class, no matter what is going on.

Jim asks Carmen the additional time per dog, with the extra stuff with  
pictures and video.  Carmen says if we have one class at a time, it makes  no 
sense. Cut the ring in half and donâ??t let the dogs run the whole ring. It  
takes too long.  Tish has lost control again. She doesnâ??t want to stop  
Jimmy. 

Bob Grady talks about last year. But, the judge wonâ??t listen.  The  ring 
steward canâ??t do anything, so it needs to be put in the judgeâ??s contract  
and 
then they can push it forward.

Bart says the biggest loss of time is because they open the ring and canâ??t  
start something else.  We used to divide the ring.  

Motion to have the Tuesday show on Wednesday and the National on Thursday  
with the Futurity/Maturity on Thursday.

Dorothy talked about certain times for the classes.

It passes to move the show to Thursday. I was talking to Sam Isreal, so I  
think I am right. I think that includes the extra classes.

For the first 300 dogs there is a $9.00 dog, but $4.00 after that, from  
superintendents.  

Frank asked about dogs entered for the show before the show, and not the  
national.  Here is a lot of talk about making it a different color and  
marked as a pre-show entry.  

Board meeting sites.  The next board meeting falls on Easter. Ginnie  wants 
to know what Bill is going to do with the entries to make a  difference.  
Bill will change the form and the color.





Evan L.  Ginsburg
Asgard German Shepherds  
http://www.asgardgsd.com/
Where Type Movement and Temperament  come  together 

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