I didn't see slander. It's not slander if it's the truth. Years ago I bought/co-owned a bitch. Bred her. While she was bred and heavy in whelp BOTH her mother and father suffered GDV (lived, were tacked). I was on the phone sobbing to Barb Williams. (Wasn't to be the last time either, the sobbing to Barb part.) We (Barb & I), thought it might be OK, the male I had chosen was pretty good as far as GDV was concerned. No issues. Phew.... Maybe we dodged the bullet???? Bred her 2 years later. While she was in whelp a son I had kept back from the first litter suffered GDV and could not be saved. More sobbing to Barb. Breeders of the bitch were upset (read PISS*D!) I didn't keep my dog's death a secret because this bitch's litter had been repeated a number of times, other bitches producing, dogs standing at stud and I guess I sullied their names by telling the truth. I wasn't BLAMING...it was the truth. And furthermore, I was morning my dog and terrified for the other siblings & 1/2 siblings. I didn't go public but if anybody asked I wasn't going to sweep it under the rug. And the funny thing...one of the bitch's co-owners didn't know the history on the dam's side and was ready to blame the stud dog...ey-yi-yi! The co-owned bitch died by the way...I don't even know when or why, no call. Now, if you don't believe it's hereditary, fine by me, save your breath, I am tiring of arguing that point and won't engage. As for not selling this person a dog...are you KIDDING me? Bringing up other cases where dogs were hit on the head or fell down the steps, are you KIDDING me? I am just sick.... Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit http://www.pinehillgsds.com/ In a message dated 5/19/2013 1:48:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx writes: *slandering not only the breeders but dogs, by name....* ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================