D.D. I guess it would matter to me what movement faults we are talking about. The most extended sidegaiting dog would win under me, even if they weren't totally clean. I once had an all breed judge say that he didn't fault coming and going as long as it didn't affect the movement from the side. Definitely not your typical all breed judge, who can only look at coming and going, even if they can't move at all from the side. I like beautiful type too, so if they were pretty close in side gait, the pretty one would win, but they would have to be very close. Ann Cudjoegsd <cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: In Dave Rinke`s Judges Seminars and the resultant CDs, his theme in evaluating a German Shepherd Dog is "Does it look like a German Shepherd, does it act like a German Shepherd and does it gait like a German Shepherd? I enjoy attending Dave`s seminars and learn something each time. For a change of pace from the last thread on the List, I would like to ask the following question: How would you evaluate/place a dog who looks and acts like a GS but is faulty in gait against a dog that acts and gaits like a GS but in not as typey as the first dog? Each one has two out of three of the main characteristics of a GS but which one of the missing ingredients is more important? Type vs function. Hope this stimulates a civil and educational discussion as it was intended. D.D. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ Ann , Home of Sel Ex Ch Mechanical Bull and #1 Dam I've Got It All ROM Breeder-Owner of 62 Champions and 18 ROMs www.edangsd.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================