Christine, Gee, I agree with you. People so often mistake racing for good movement that there aren't many great movers out there any more. Some of our handlers have this down to an art too. Horse races are exctiting and that's what a lot of our shows have turned into. An outstanding mover should float across the ground like a well oiled machine with little or no effort, whether he is going slow or fast. Ann <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: For me, as a breeder and a possible future judge, if I felt that the breed was headed in a direction where we were losing our side gait, I would probably reward the dog that could side gait the best in hopes that he would be bred to possibly correct the problem in our breed. On the flip side, if we had many good side gaiting dogs, but seemed to be lacking in the area of type, then I might( I stress the word "might") forgo side gait a reward type as long as the side gait was adequate or above. In my opinion, we currently have a great deal of type in dogs( males) but not much in the area of movement.It is to the point where we might as well just judge them standing and pick the most handsome dog stacked.Bitches are far superior both in type and in motion. So in my opinion, at this time in the breed, the pendulum needs to swing a bit back toward side gait.In a utopian world, you would hope to find a dog that had it all, type, movement, temperament. Perhaps this sounds inconsistent from a judging standpoint so just to clarify, I am a movement person that likes handsome curvaceous dogs and beautiful bitches.Temperament is an absolute must. In my opinion,. "type" is not that difficult to correct in a breeding program, but once you lose movement, it takes generations to repair the damage.Christine hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Steve and Christine Grainger WWW.HICKORYHILLGSD.COM > [Original Message] > From: Cudjoegsd > To: showgsd-l > Date: 3/6/2007 9:09:39 AM > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Return to Canine Discussions > > In Dave Rinke`s Judges Seminars and the resultant CDs, his theme in evaluating a German Shepherd Dog is "Does it look like a German Shepherd, does it act like a German Shepherd and does it gait like a German Shepherd? I enjoy attending Dave`s seminars and learn something each time. For a change of pace from the last thread on the List, I would like to ask the following question: > How would you evaluate/place a dog who looks and acts like a GS but is faulty in gait against a dog that acts and gaits like a GS but in not as typey as the first dog? 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