[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Return to Canine Discussions
- From: caggra@xxxxxxx
- To: edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx, cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 12:05:02 -0500
Yes, there are exceptions to every rule...and there are certainly dogs that are
not clean coming and going that do not end up breaking down...and no, not
necessarily "locked-up", but breaking down. But a majority of those who are
not clean coming and going DO break down.
So, what I am saying is that a Judge from inside the ring that only has a few
minutes to decide does not know if the unclean dog they are looking at is an
exception or not. So, my opinion is that judges should sway toward the
cleaner animal (because more times than not, those animals DO break
down)...UNLESS the cleaner animal is far less in quality, movement etc. If the
cleaner animal has Good, but not great movement, it should win. If it has poor
movement it shouldn't.
It's easier for outsiders to see a dog several times or for hours being worked
at a show...but a judge only has a few mins to figure out which dog best fits
the Standard. The Standard calls for Correct movement from all angles. So, I
am sorry but faults of gait from any angle, as specifically stated in the
standard IS a serious fault.
JMO,
Jeff
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From: edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: caggra@xxxxxxx; cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Return to Canine Discussions
Jeff, I am not talking about dogs with locked up rears, I am talking about dogs
that look clean from the side and open at both ends. I have had and do have
dogs that aren't perfectly clean, but they open up and they will look the same
at the end of the day. They could herd circles around a clean coming and going
short stepping balanced dog and don't lose function even after hours of moving.
Many of our great dogs in this breed have fit this description and have been
utilized very effectively into many top breeder's programs. I do like a pretty
dog though . Ann
caggra@xxxxxxx wrote:
The only problem I have with this Ann is that judges (especially at all breed
shows) only have 2-3 minutes or so to look at the dogs. So, in those few
minutes the coming and going may not affect the dog's movement from the
side.....but those dogs who are not clean coming and going - Take them to herd
Sheep all day long or to our National Specialty and see what happens to them
after a few laps around the big ring. More often than not it WILL affect their
movement from the side. How many times have we all seen a dog come into a
National or a Specialty looking like a star....then a few laps later they break
down? There are quite a few like this.
So, while I certainly like a good sidegaiting dog....I just think we do have to
look from all angles.
JMO,
Jeff Pyle
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From: edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:30 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Return to Canine Discussions
D.D. I guess it would matter to me what movement faults we are talking about.
The most extended sidegaiting dog would win under me, even if they weren't
totally clean. I once had an all breed judge say that he didn't fault coming
and
going as long as it didn't affect the movement from the side. Definitely not
your typical all breed judge, who can only look at coming and going, even if
they can't move at all from the side. I like beautiful type too, so if they
were
pretty close in side gait, the pretty one would win, but they would have to be
very close. Ann
Cudjoegsd wrote: In Dave Rinke`s Judges Seminars and
the resultant CDs, his theme in evaluating a German Shepherd Dog is "Does it
look like a German Shepherd, does it act like a German Shepherd and does it
gait
like a German Shepherd? I enjoy attending Dave`s seminars and learn something
each time. For a change of pace from the last thread on the List, I would like
to ask the following question:
How would you evaluate/place a dog who looks and acts like a GS but is faulty
in
gait against a dog that acts and gaits like a GS but in not as typey as the
first dog? Each one has two out of three of the main characteristics of a GS
but
which one of the missing ingredients is more important? Type vs function. Hope
this stimulates a civil and educational discussion as it was intended. D.D.
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