In the late 1960s the initial list of judges for the membership to vote on was compiled by a committee selected by the board. I served on that committee several years. The committee members would have liked to have added Lang Skarda to the list so that the membership would have an opportunity to vote for him or not. Lang was a popular judge, and though not yet an All Breed Judge, he did have most of the Groups and was in high demand, probably judging most weekends. He declined to sign the agreement which would have restricted the time before the National during which he could judge Shepherds, because this was a matter he would have to negotiate with clubs that had already hired him to judge, perhaps on the assumption that would judge Shepherds. Also, in taking future assignments, he would have to exclude Shepherds while not knowing if he would be elected by the membership to judge the National. I think that, in setting up the restrictions it was assumed that the candidates would be judges that only judged shepherds and would be judging largely at specialties, and that if they judged in the locale of the National people would go to get a less expensive shot to see if the judge liked their dog or not and thereby save the cost of showing at the National if the result was negative. Whatever was the motive in setting up the procedure, the result was to deprive the membership of the opportunity to select a respected judge who had owned and handled a Grand Victor. Tom Brown Reply-to: EKOLAN1@xxxxxxx, writes: In a message dated 8/29/2006 3:43:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, VPREZHMF@xxxxxxx writes: If you remember it was the GSDCA that made that rule in the 70's & 80's at the "forceful " request of the AKC. It was in the judging contract ,just like the temperament test requirement,that a judge that was nominated had to sign--if he got the Intersex assignment,they could not see the other judging. . How would the members feel about that now ?? Helen Miller Fisher It is a dumb rule How can watching any part of the show compromise the intersex judge even the ones he/she will then judge. Even if he/she saw the dog or puppy they thought they liked from the stands when they then got in the ring and saw it different they would go with the one they liked up close. Fred ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================