Article VII Section 2 of the GSDCA by-laws provides that charges shall be heard by the Board of Directors or by a committee of not less than three members of the Board appointed by a majority of the entire Board. Article III Section 8 of the by-laws provides that: At meetings of the membership and of the Board of Directors, Robert's Rules of Order, Revised shall govern parliamentary practice in all matters not covered by these by-laws. Robert's Rules of Order, Newly Revised (10th Edition) on pages 630 and 631 states:"...Consequently, a trial must always be held in Executive Session...To make any of the facts public may constitute libel..." Tom Brown At 02:24 PM 1/6/2008 -0500, you wrote: ELG440@xxxxxxx wrote: In a message dated 1/5/08 10:27:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, hardcastle@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: the bylaws are specific. They do NOT say that the Corr Sec shall promptly notify the president and post to all available lists for discussion. Evan: There are many things not said in the by-laws, and if left out then you turn to the laws of a non-profit corporation in the state of New York. There are provisions for 'closed meetings" but only to the public. No meetings should ever be closed to the members. This has been ignored and is the basis for thinking information can be kept from the members. It cannot. If you tried to put that in the by-laws, it would be in conflict with corporation law, and even federal IRS limitations. While it has been going on for a long time, our new President, Gail is just the person to start to correct the past mistakes and bring the club out of the closet and let everyone know what is going on, all the time. We are here to protect ALL members and treat each fairly. We were elected, as you state, to conduct business on behalf of the club. We do not intend to act as a higher power. Our job is to follow the by-laws and to keep our club free from trouble. This board is a collection of sincere and concerned individuals without agendas. We will do what is right and unless our bylaws are changed we follow the outline of "Section 2. Charges". I agree with everything Gail has said. But, nothing in our by-laws allows the board to keep things to themselves, and there is nothing that allows the board to work on a different level, or degree of knowledge of what is going on. Article VII Section 2 makes it clear what the procedure is to bring charges, and what the President and Board must do about them. No matter how often or carefully you read them, you will not find anywhere that the business of our club is secret or to be kept from the membership. That is not included because our by-laws are copied from the AKC sample by-laws, and even the AKC recognise New York corporate law, and IRS regulations that a 501 Corporation must allow the members to be included in all club business. What may be instructive is when it states, '"The Board of Directors may also recommend to the membership...." That seems to make it clear, that the membership has the right to know what is going on.A few years back, when I was on the board, a member sued this club. Not only was the information kept secret from the members, but because I was and remain a friend of the person suing, it was kept from me, even though I was an elected board member. As such, I was unable to advise the board, or be involved in the club's decisions on that issue. That was wrong, and even today, this club and the members have no idea what the conclusion of that litigation was. This should not have happened, and the continued decisions to exclude the membership should not be encouraged. I did not fight the decision at the time, as it would have been divisive to the club, and my duty as a board member was to act in the best interest of the club, the members and the breed.I have faith in this board, and our new leadership. The changes will not come overnight, but we have a duty to continue to exert our opinions and point out that the past has been wrong, and the future should bring corrections. It is not going to be easy to change what has been going on for years now, but our new board has the quality of membership and the strength of leadership to do it. For years, our country didn't allow blacks to learn to read, women to vote or drive, or limit the work imposed on children. We allowed separate but equal schools, allowed American citizens to be owned by other people, allowed workers to work unlimited hours, and forced our citizens to go to war, no matter what they believed in their faith. That was all changed with courage, perseverance, hard work and energy, and except for allowing women to drive, has all strengthened our great nation. The GSDCA sits today on the chance to change for the better many of the past actions that damaged our club. Never have I seen a better group of elected board members or a better President to do so. Let's give them the chance, remind them of their duties and obligations, and continue to support them in the difficult task ahead. They enter the year with great challenges, and past mistakes. They are up to the task, and we could not have chosen better individuals to do so. I am very optimistic about this club, and support our board in every way I can. Evan Ginsburg Vivian Brown Santa Ana CA **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. 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