And*I* take exception to your comments as well.. I HAVE bred and finished many dogs over the years.. I have lost points to "mediocre" dogs because of fault judging (EG - the judge telling my handler that if my bitch had been entered in the RIGHT class - Open instead of Canadian Bred , thank you for that insight, Leslie Rogers, she would have gone "all the way". The fault here being entering in the "wrong" class! Just one example, I assure you..) I will agree.. it IS harder to get an American CH than Canadian because of your required 2 majors, but too often (and I do not say always) dogs that really shouldn't be champions are. Oh, and I also congratulate those owners.. it was their turn and my hat goes off to them.. they have worked hard too and have probably spent a lot more $$$ at it as well. It isn't the dogs I am complaining about, it is the judges that perpetuate it. When I started in dog shows, an all breed entry in Canada was 60 plus animals.. animals that were shown in both all breed and specialties..now we are lucky to get 10.. the dogs that owners show at specialties stay home or travel to the specialties.. why?? because too many all breed judges choose to fault ear set, extreme side gait, topline or pigment and chose the "middle of the road" (dare I say mediocre???) for the points.. I am not so bold as to say this happens at every show, but enough to cause people to make their "lists" of judges that will look at their dogs and appreciate them.. if what I am saying is unfounded, I would love to hear it.. but I hope, then, everyone throws out their lists of judges and enters shows because they know the judging will be according to the standard.. just my opinion folks! Sue Madlung - Shadowacre Reg'd German Shepherds http://www.shadowacre.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <ArDeJay@xxxxxxx> To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 5:22 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Reply Mediocre > > ********************************************************************** > > I'm offended too Paul. These comments from those who never owned or bred a > CH (so they wouldn't have to worry about feeding one anyway!). Give me a > break! I clap for ALL of them too. I DO know what it takes to get there, from > the time you're praying the gal conceived, praying for an easy delivery and > healthy babies, holding the wee ones as they take their first breath all the > way until the judge points their finger rewarding your efforts. Do we all > have the same mental picture of a "star"? No, of course not. But we travel > the same road and I sure can appreciate what the breeders and owners > accomplish...so you better believe I clap. Oh, I guess it's easy to sit on the > sideline and critique. I guess it's common place to find fault with the "system", > the economy, the price of gas and anything else that strikes their fancy, > anything at all that can be used as an excuse for failure. Spare me your > thoughts on "mediocre" ladies. > > Kathy > three generations of Dual Titled Champions live here! > > visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ > (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) > > I never said it was easy to get a Championship,I'm a breeder of 1 Am Ch. and > Major pointed Dogs and Bitches,Numerous Canadian Chs,have judged > Can.Futurity and many Specialty Matches...What I said was ,you should know the > "difference between Mediocre( and they are out there) and the Good or Great ones !!!!" > > Donna Jacot,ArDeJay > > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. 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