I totally agree with both of you . The Regional challenge is for the regional clubs and if they want to have this as a way to strengthen the regional clubs as a whole then why let people from outside their club compete. I feel sorry for those that don't have a club to join but if they want to compete let them have a prize for the individual with the most points earned in events. Make it a provision that the person lives at least 200 miles from any Regional club. To let people join from outside there region is just silly and really takes away from the competition between the clubs. Last year the Oregon club was disallowed around 150 points for what ever reason. I never really could figure it out. We had to live with that decision. My question is if you are not going to count a life time member as part of your club then why would you allow an associate member outside the area count towards membership ?? Doesn't seem right to me. For example I have been a member of the Oregon club for 20 plus years. According to our bylaws that makes me a lifetime member. I would not count towards the membership of our club. I am the President and have been for about 4 years now. My guess is if you allow this to take place you will see the end of the Regional club challenge. Terry Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx wrote: In a message dated 8/2/2005 10:52:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, WyMarGSD2@xxxxxxx writes: I dont know... it doesnt sit real fair to me for the clubs who are working hard at making a difference and competing honestly against each other, to invite "independants" to their club just for their "points" towards the Challenge...i mean if these "independants" are going to work your shows and committ to the club in some way.. sure no problem. but i personally wouldnt feel right accepting points from a person who wasnt a part of our club... if we all worked as hard as we could and didnt win but we built friendships and respect for one another... we tried and we did our best...oh well better luck next year, but if we won because we got members from , OH, MD, PA etc... because they had nowhere else to go... i personally wouldnt even be proud of that, wouldnt even want the win. Dawnmarie Very well put. It's one thing to have an associate member, oh maybe in a 100 mile radius. I understand that there are areas where it may be hard to find a regional club to call "home". But IMO, soliciting "associate members" for the purpose of counting points from someone who has no interaction w/ a particular regional club would be the death of the Regional Challenge. JMHO Kathy three generations of Dual Titled Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================