Hi Pat: While I believe the "perception" of impropriety carries with it a huge gray area, perhaps some of our GSD people could take a lesson from the other breeds out there. I admit this was second hand information, and I don't recall which breed they were talking about (for some reason I think it was a hound of some sort). When asked if a breeder would be showing their top winning special at their national, their response was "Well, no. The national's judge bred a bitch to our dog recently and we don't want to exhibit under them because it wouldn't be appropriate." When I heard that story, I laughed... Hell I know people who choose breeding partners based upon the fact that the owner of the stud dog will be judging one of their local shows a year later!! LOL Other breeds think what happens in shepherds is outright unbelievable. Perception is the key for sure. By the way, just so everyone who reads this is clear, NOTHING I have posted in the past few days is in regards to any shows that have happened, or the results therein. And if the people who are writing some of their posts because they are trying to allude to something they "recently" witnessed, well that's kind of bad taste, unless you have the courage to say, "this is my perception from what I saw at the show <identify>", like Pat did in her letter that was published in the Review. That's my opinion of course, and I'm sure there are others out there. Regards, Kathaleen Kathaleen ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================