This is something for several years I kept track of with my own and friends dogs. When a dog would xray with 1 perfect hip and one bad one...........had people check records (if they kept them like I do) to see if that pup was a breach birth. Frequently they were. When you have to assist and perhaps do a little tugging to help out doesn't it make sense you could damage a hip socket? Several years back I ran this by Barbara Williams and she absolutely agreed. Something else to consider Molly Member GSDCC, GSDCA, GSDC of Beaumont, life member CKC In a message dated 10/2/2012 3:22:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Scharo777@xxxxxxx writes: Only 1 bitch did not get an OFA Hip number - and that was for one bad hip - after normal pre-lims. (A good reason to send you Pre Lims to OFA ) So we believe that she injured that hip somewhere. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================