Well....admittedly I think we have all said some non flattering comments about some Breeds that barely navigate like a dog ....let alone look like a dog and drool their way through life with coats that have to be wrapped, braided or shaved and wrinkles that must be cleaned and eyes popped back into their socket....<G> Nuff said. G'night.......... Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.marhaven.com -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Theresa-GSD Stolz-Scenecrest Farm Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:18 PM To: edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Room for our Standard. That is the judges thoughts through, have you heard what the other breed spectators are saying about them? I listen to comments about our GSD's and they are not flattering at all. Most I posted were comments from people I heard on the sidelines state. As I stated I do see some GSD's that are good representatives of the breed. I am talking the AKC shows not the Specialty ones.  Theresa On Sun, 1/27/13, edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Room for our Standard. To: "scenecrest geo" <scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx> Cc: marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Sunday, January 27, 2013, 12:06 AM Gee, Theresa, you must not go to the same shows I go to. Michigan has some pretty outstanding dogs and many specialty and all breed judges have thought so too. <G> Ann www.edangsd.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theresa-GSD Stolz-Scenecrest Farm" <scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx> To: marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:57:02 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Room for our Standard. Well as I see it at most of the AKC Shows I attend do not see very many that fit the AKC GSD Standard around here. � �http://www.akc.org/breeds/german_shepherd_dog/index.cfm � It clearly states � Temperament The breed has a distinct personality marked by direct and fearless, but not hostile, expression, self-confidence and a certain aloofness that does not lend itself to immediate and indiscriminate friendships. The dog must be approachable, quietly standing its ground and showing confidence and willingness to meet overtures without itself making them. � "Many shy away from the judge" � The German Shepherd Dog is longer than tall, with the most desirable proportion as 10 to 8�. The length is measured from the point of the prosternum or breastbone to the rear edge of the pelvis, the ischial tuberosity. The desirable long proportion is not derived from a long back, but from overall length with relation to height, which is achieved by length of forequarter and length of withers and hindquarter, viewed from the side. � "Most are long in the back" � Head The head is noble, cleanly chiseled, strong without coarseness, but above all not fine, and in proportion to the body. The head of the male is distinctly masculine, and that of the bitch distinctly feminine. � � � The expression keen, intelligent and composed. Eyes of medium size, almond shaped, set a little obliquely and not protruding. The color is as dark as possible. Ears are moderately pointed, in proportion to the skull, open toward the front, and carried erect when at attention, the ideal carriage being one in which the center lines of the ears, viewed from the front, are parallel to each other and perpendicular to the ground. A dog with cropped or hanging ears must be disqualified. � "See way too many narrow long heads with close smaller�eyes." � The neck is strong and muscular, clean-cut and relatively long, proportionate in size to the head � The shoulder blades are long and obliquely angled, laid on flat and not placed forward. � The pasterns are strong and springy and angulated at approximately a 25-degree angle from the vertical. Dewclaws on the forelegs may be removed, but are normally left on. The feet are short, compact with toes well arched, pads thick and firm, nails short and dark. � "See no mention of long weak pasterns which I see way too often around here and in show photos. I will add though I do see some very nice GSD's at the Nationals. However, most that show in the local shows are not what they should be. " � The upper thigh bone parallels the shoulder blade while the lower thigh bone parallels the upper arm. The metatarsus (the unit between the hock joint and the foot) is short, strong and tightly articulated. � � Rin Tin Tin does have different conformation but he was a using animal not just for show.� A GSD should still be able to work as well as have good useable conformation. The�GSD should be versatile as they were when Max von Stephanitz first founded the breed. � Maybe the GSD's where you are fit the Standard, have not seen those. � Theresa Ann www.edangsd.com Home of AOE Sel Ex Ch Gilley,Sel Ex Ch Maxwell,Sel Ch Kobe and Sel Ch MmmMmm Good, #1 dam Muggles, Breeder-owner 0f 72 champions and 19 ROMs. Proud receipient of Lloyd Brackett Award =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. 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