In a message dated 1/6/2008 3:54:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, VPREZHMF@xxxxxxx writes: Just another opinion on Bi Colors, I had a number of those also. They are usually 80-90 percent black with very little tan on head,usually just the eyebrows. Black penciling on their toes, Tan on all 4 legs, about a third to 1/2 way up the leg. Gray undercoat.My Ch. Meadowmill's Legend,had no white on chest ,but his litter sister,Ch. Meadowmill's Lola, had a white spot about the size of a dime on the chest. She also had ,in addition to the tan on her legs , had tan hair around the anal area,while her brother didn't. Both registered as Bi- Colors. Sire was Ch. Kubistrums Kane,who was pretty dark himself. Legend finished at 13 mos,went on to do Group and BIS winnings Lola took a little longer,but finished her last 3 pts by winning a large group under Lang Skarda. Like today.some judges didn't like the Bi's,but you just didn't show under those. Helen Miller Fisher I always listen when Helen speaks...... I forgot about the black penciling on their toes, that is true. I have never seen that gray undercoat that you mentioned. I have seen quite a few bi-colors, and owned 2 myself, and they were black, with tan, almost red or rust, on their legs, mainly the hocks and barely the pasterns. As I was taught, any other color other than that black and small tan, and they are no longer bi-colors. Of course the difference in the tan has to do with pigment, not color. There is a difference there. And a whole other discussion <G>. Ileana **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================