I dunno.....my cousin has a 125 pound field lab that doesn't have an ounce of fat on his body. I don't think labs are any smaller than GSD's overall and you can certainly breed a smaller GSD particuarly if they have there own breeding program. I can think of a few lines right now that produce small dogs (almost too small). If size was the issue, they could fix that problem fairly quickly. Cindy anthony amoroso <triplea7@xxxxxxx> wrote: Hi Ruth: Your right, the GSD fancy think that the Guide Dog schools have abandoned the GSD. They haven't, they just learned over years of service that the Retriever lines with their medium size and soft and loving temperament are well suited to be Guides. Our fancy forgets that especially our males over the years are "big" dogs. A large dog is difficult to be used as a Guide. Eg; getting on a bus looking for a seat and then lying down in front of his charge is a daunting task for most of our shepherds. As you know I own Hunter a delightful and very bright typical Shepherd with a great temperament. But at almost 90 lbs it would a quite a task for a blind person to take him on a bus, look for a seat. And then scoot him in front of you. Unfortunately, size is very important to Guide Dog schools. Our GSD dogs are more than capable of being blind guides but size has been a big factor in their declining use . Merry Christmas.... Tony Amoroso ----- Original Message ----- From: Ruth Scheubler To: edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; ValleSaladoGSD@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; freelist Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 7:47 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: GSDs will no longer be used by Guide Dogs for the Blind I agree - the retrievers do a very good job for them, they train quickly, generally are much easier for the handlers to deal with, and very public friendly and easy care. Those are all important factors. Now it is not my dog of choice,but I have met very many labs I thought were very good dogs. I understand the group's choice as the one that works best for them. I do believe that they are offering a valid point of view - it is not the full view - but the view out of their window. It should not be considered an attack, but an honest statement of what works for htem. Ruth Edwin Hill > wrote: My second ex-wife is blind as a result of a brain aneurysm about 6 years ago, she almost died....she wanted a German Shepherd guide dog very much but the school at the time did not have any, I believe they were phasing them out then....she has a black Lab named Woodson, she's had him for about three years now.....when the question came out about what breed would you have if not a Shepherd...I'd have a Lab....Woodson is the most incredible know I have ever known...he watches over my ex like a hawk!...she loves that dog much better than me, and I don't blame her....Ed Hill Connie wrote: The only place I find mention of this is here . 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