In a message dated 1/4/05 7:42:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, PAGAIRS@xxxxxxx writes: << I take offense to others on the list putting down new performance venues. Your right the Rally is what is needed to get people back into obedience...If AKC thinks Rally is good enough to be a AKC titled award thats good enough for me. >> I can understand Pattys statement. For years(more than I care to talk about)the mentality has been that the only GSD who compete in Obedience are the (quote quote)dogs who aren't GOOD enough for conformation and conformation dogs weren't smart enough. Up until a few years ago I was oneof those not into Obedience types. Thing that changed my attitude was the AOE title. My ex and I had a long standing disagreement about showing in both rings. I'm seeing dogs complete their AOE titles with Obedience degrees three of them are Uzi, Max and Flash(Scoops sire). I got into a rather verbal clash at one of our club meetings when someone stated that "this is a conformation club" BS there's room for all of it. Bob Neiman ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================