Julie, While I agree that the beginning level rally is very simple, the middle and upper levels are much more on a par with a CD. There are many exercises in Rally that are different from regular obedience. Some of them can be difficult to perform. Also, Rally makes much more sense to beginning people than does Novice Obedience. It is much more like real life. In real life, you don't just give a single command to your dog (unless you are already competing in obedience). It will, hopefully, get people hooked who will then go on to regular obedience. Sue Mazzeo sg: #1 in digest From: EJDegen@xxxxxxx Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:07:41 EST Subject: Rally titles I completely agree with Susan when she says that Rally should NOT be considered a dual title. Although you can earn titles in Rally, I believe it is more on a par with a CGC than it is with other beginning level working titles. I have several friends that showed in Rally this past weekend and most came away with a new title (even on a 7 month old elkhound puppy with minimal training). All of my friends competing in Rally do other things with their dogs as well and the Rally is more of a "warm up". Julie Degen In a message dated 1/4/05 10:56:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: I was on the AKC obedience delegates commitee when Rally was developed. It is considered a stepping stone between CGC and either agility or obedience. It was developed so people would train thier agility dogs a little more and the people showing in obedience would get a more positive foundation on their dogs. It is als a very supportive way to start a dog exposing him to ring conditions. It should NOT be considered a replacement for either, nor should it be considered a title for a duel award or an AOE. IT IS TOO EASY TO BE CONDSIDERED A WORKING TITLE. However that doens't mean that it isn't fun or you shouldn't do it, as it has excellent purpose and will be fun for both you and your dog. I hope that it will be a money maker for clubs as it moves faster than obedience and should increase your entries. Hopefully once exhibitors compete in rally they will go on into agility or obedience or both. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================