It seems "odd" to me that the people who are saying that Rally and PT's are easy are the same people who we don't see competing in these venues? I do agree that a RN or PT should not get a club achievement pin. But they should be recognized by the parent club as a working title. JMHO Emilie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathaleen Strong" <inflight@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 4:06 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Rally While I was on the Board this was discussed at previous meeting. I watched my first rally events in January of last year. Previous to watching this, I had really no opinion of its joining the list of requirements for the AOE, only that I had heard grumbling from people that it was far too easy a thing to achieve to be considered for our Breed's highest title. So, I sat there and watched these dogs doing their things off lead with their owners, and I thought to myself, what were people talking about, while it looked kind of easy, it wasn't really easy. Later I went back to watch again. This was a whole different kettle of fish -- I was aghast at how easy this was -- I mean bring your 14 year old dogs with 3 legs and coax them through and viola -- an qualifying score. I leaned over and asked what this class was... they said... Rally Novice. Apparently what I was watching earlier was the Rally Excellent. So, when this was discussed at the Board level, removing the RN from the qualifications for an AOE, I agreed with Dalene -- Rally Novice is TOO EASY to be associated with the top title in our breed. I think it was a little odd they didn't contact Helen prior to this decision being made, but IMO, it's the right thing. Before anyone gets on me now, about Herding being "easy" -- there is no comparison to the easiness of the RN -- and frankly, I don't think it's unacceptable that a dog have a minimum of a PT to qualify for their AOE -- if a dog can get an HT, they can get a PT -- this is a GSD after all. I'm also not saying that anyone's accomplishments in Rally are not worthy -- I applaud you for your work and efforts in working your dogs -- but how many of you just stop at that first title in Rally???? Again, this is a GSD, surely you can get 2 or more levels of Rally. Kathaleen -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ginialtman@xxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 2:42 PM To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Rally I was in attendance at the Board meeting in Lexington and the way I understood the final motion was that only Rally Novice was not going to be considered as meeting the criteria for AOE. 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