You can't keep a dog from being entered in BOB competition..the title GV or GVX is that title given to BOB or BOS ..however using that title..which is a GSDCA title is another thing..that is if you want to make it so. We have beat this dead horse to a pulp..if people can't see the difference in PC titles and AKC titles...and that both the dog and owner and breeder deserve recognition for all efforts involved..I quit! I suppose what aggravates me is year after year PC members pay their dues...literally. Our dues help to buy ribbons..we need trophy donations from PC members..part of our dues I am certain go to finding a place to have the National..and most of all to promote the breed. then there are some..who for whatever reason..don't want to pay dues..but want to accept the trophies..the ribbons..enjoy the atmosphere...and benefit from all the work that the dues paying members do..and then get the HONOR of being able to advertise these special achievements awarded by the GSDCA. BTW I know my membership roster is 2 years old..but couldn't locate your name in the roster..perhaps you have become a GSDCA member since then?? If so..we are glad you are!Oh one last thing..you can become a champion without belonging to the GSDCA..one has nothing to do with the other..it is an AKC championship..BUT a SELECT champion is a GSDCA title...C.Grainger > [Original Message] > From: Louise Cauthen <cauthenl@xxxxxxxxx> > To: <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Judy Grumdahl <juel@xxxxxxxxxx>; ANN SCHULTZ <edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: 9/12/2006 4:18:47 PM > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: ROM... > > If a dog sires or is the dam of an AKC champion, it should have nothing to do with GSDCA club membership - unless being a member gives the owner more recognition with, like someone mentioned, a plack or something.... > > Can't a non club member owned dog earn the GV and GVX titles and all GSDCA obedience titles? Can't a dog from another country come over and earn these parent club titles? I think how well a dog produces should have no bearing if it is not owned by a PC member. > > I don't see how it takes anything 'away from' the parent club to give this earned title especially since it isn't a parent club 'championship' but an AKC championship. JMO > Louise Cauthen > > <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I think that if a dog is 1)bred by a PC member 2) owned or co-owned by a PC > member at the time the breedings took place that resulted in the dog > meeting the requirements for ROM, then the dog/breeder/coowners should be > recognized. If the dog achieves the ROM title after it is in a retirement > home and ownership has changed to a non PC member..that should not have > anything with whether the dog/owners receive the plaque, page..or whatever. > Even though per Doris there have only been to ROM dogs who were owned by > non members and not recently, I still DO think that attaining a GSDCA > title is a privilege of membership and being a GSDCA member is a > privilege!..let folks that don't want to join, get organized, create their > own club and make up their own titles. Christine Grainger > > > > [Original Message] > > From: ANN SCHULTZ > > To: > ; > > Date: 9/12/2006 11:45:21 AM > > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: ROM... > > > > I think that if an animal meets the qualifications to be a ROM, they > should receive it. HOWEVER, maybe only members should receive a plaque and > get a page in the Review. Ann > > > Laurie Pruett > wrote: >I couldn't glean who said what > from the below post and who is pro or con > > >what..but I will just throw my two cents worth in. I strongly feel the = > > ROM > > >honor should be bestowed to a dog/bitch that is owned or co-owned or = > > maybe > > >we can add "bred" by a PC member. dogs don't know and couldn't care less > > >about the titles we humans bestow upon them. > > I think it is wrong for our club to deny an ROM title to an animal just = > > because the PC owner was responsible enough to place the animal in a good > = > > pet home after the animal was done with it's breeding career. And, in = > > this day and age of liability and law suits, it isn't always a good idea = > > to keep your name on as co-owner once an animal is placed. My ROM bitch = > > was 9 years old before her progeny completed the requirements for her > ROM. = > > She happened to retire with another PC member, her co-owner. However, = > > if she had gone back to her breeder who is no longer a PC member, then my > = > > ROM wouldn't be an ROM today. That's not right, IMO. I do not delude = > > myself into thinking that my multi-dog part-time kennel, part-time in the > = > > house living situation is better for my dogs than an only dog sleep on > the = > > bed everynight pet home would be. I won't turn down those opportunities = > > when they arise just be be assured that the retired breeding animal will = > > be eligible for an ROM. > > > > Let's think of the welfare of the animals when developing criteria for PC > = > > awards. > > > > Laurie Pruett > > Windy Acres > > > > > ============================================================================ > ============================================================================ > > > > > > > > Ann > > www.edangsd.com > > home of #1 2005 Major producing Dam, I've Got It All of Edan ROM > > Breeder/owner of 58 Champions and 16 Register of Merit > > I've Got Ch Mechanical Bull-Can Sel #4 Ch MeMe puppies > > > > > ============================================================================ > > > > ============================================================================ > > > ============================================================================ > > ============================================================================ > > > > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2006. 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