How is it possible to deny BOB competition access to dogs and bitches that are eligible according to AKC rules governing the exhibition of pure bred dogs? It is appears impossible to keep an AKC Champion of record (or the winner's dog or winners bitch awarded the day before at the National)who is eligible for the Best of Breed competition out of the ring. The AKC has set the rules. The GSDCA has already established a title which includes a "gun shot" sound shy test. It is the TC. Anyone is free to participate in any of the venues with their dog for which said dog is eligible. A "gunshot test" already exists within the frame work of the Temperament Certification. Jane Kerner ----- Original Message ----- From: Santanagsd1954@xxxxxx To: jkerner@xxxxxxxxx Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 3:11 PM Subject: Re: Questions and Answers In a message dated 7/14/2006 12:30:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, Let me see if I understand your proposal, because it seems to bring up quite a few additional questions that need to be answered. When, on Saturday morning, before the judging the Best of Breed competition commences at the GSDCA National specialty show, would you suggest that we start firing off gun shots for the possible 110 Specials entered? Would this test be conducted individually, or would all dogs entered be required to be in the ring for all possible 110 gun shots? How long do you anticipate it would take? Did you mean to suggest that the "gun shot test" for the Best of Breed Competition dogs and bitches would take place somewhere other and some time other than the Breed Ring on Saturday Morning? (The judging schedule indicates that the opening ceremonies begin at 7:45 AM. Usually, the judging takes all day Saturday). (The entire week schedule is already pretty demanding). Would the AKC have some "say-so" about "gun-shots" fired in the Best of Breed Competition Ring prior to judging? If your suggestion is other that the Breed Ring (when most spectators interested would be there), where and when do you suggest the "gun-shot" test be conducted? With how many observers present? Are you suggesting that the Parent Club establish another test mandatory before a "Special" could compete in the Best of Breed competition Class? Need the AKC approve? Many Champions are already TC titled. Would these Champions be required to repeat the "gunshot" portion of the test? When and where? Are you suggesting that all Best of Breed competition animals at the National Specialty Show be kept out (eliminated from and not eligible) of the Breed Ring to meet further standards other than those already required by the GSD Standard and the AKC? Why isn't the program and title already established and in place called the TC sufficient? If it isn't, why isn't it? Is there a German Shepherd Dog breeder on planet earth who wakes up one morning and says to himself/herself, "I think I want to breed a litter of "spooks" next week." and means it? Jane Keener Jane: I don't think anyone, who is sane, does it intentionally, but it happens... we all know and accept that. I do not have a single clue how to implement it... I have my hands more than full with the GSDCA Health & Genetics Committee, working on the Breed's Health Issues.. But I have full confedence in the ability and know-how of the people in this Breed to figure that out... I agree it will take some thinking ;outside the box', but I believe if there are enough people interested and willing to work, it can come to pass and not be a burden of time or energy or expense, etc... It could be done on a day prior to the Special's Class Judging . ..and they could be evaluated one at a time.. JMO barb williams ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================