Natalie, You are a breath of fresh air. There are many breeders (and stud dog owners) that are discerning and responsible, but sadly there are some that are not. This is detrimental to the breed (for the canine population - yes, we rescue) and in some cases for the individual animals; bitches too young (mentally and/or physically), unsound (physically and mentally), etc. Thoughtfulness, consideration and knowledge in breeding is more than important, it is a necessity when looking at the best interest of our breed - today and in the future, AND it is the responsibility of the bitch owner AND the stud dog owner. If the buck doesn't stop with the bitch owner it still can with the stud dog owner. Everyone is responsible. This can be a big soap box for me, so I won't climb on .... right now. Enjoy your day, Sharlonna McGaha Support A Junior ... Show Your Vision For The Future. ~~NCP~~Nike Clayfield Paladin~~Sharlonna McGaha and Dr. Gloria S. Rice Tell and Show A Friend You Care - Today, for Today is The Gift We Have. In a message dated 6/14/2005 8:51:18 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, CLOVERLEIFE@xxxxxxx writes: someone called me to breed their 14 month bitch and i refused as it was not in the bitch's best interest and they didnt care and found someone that was willing to and she had 10 puppies...the owner of the male never required a bruc or vaginal culture....have not see the owner or the bitch since....i did what i felt was right for the bitch as she was a small bitch and has not matured enough(way too young for me) and to top it off, they never did prelims on the bitch...we, as breeders, have to make the right decision and for me, it was turning down the breeding....natalie ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================