In a message dated 9/21/2006 6:24:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, crystaridge@xxxxxxx writes: Well, I think I have to agree with Liz. We did two shipments of chilled and FOUR A.I.'s and no pups. Did you do Trans-cervical AIs or just a normal (into her vaginal tract) AI? Did the vet check the quality/quantity of the sample? Was an extender used? So many variables. Needless to say, we did all the progesterone testing to pinpoint the optimum time. The bitch was a proven producer. The next time we did chilled, different female, we did a surgical implant ---- NOT a big deal for my girl - just a small incision and as Liz explained in an earlier post, they just injected the semen into both horns of the uterus. They do this with Trans-cervical too, some of the solution gets put into each horn of the uterus. Since it ends up in exactly the same place without anesthesia, incision etc., I'm still a big fan of Trans-cervical. There are so many factors to consider, the skill of the reproductive vet etc., and sometimes even proven bitches miss when bred naturally, so maybe your bitch missing didn't have anything to do with the method, or maybe she was were pregnant and possibly reabsorbed, who knows? All I can tell you is that I've been pleased. I DO know my guy is a nut about getting timing right and I have been there all hours and on weekends, lol:) I too think we will be seeing a lot more of this with difficulty shipping bitches, etc. Interesting discussion:) Kathy member GSDCA, DVGSDC three generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================