In a message dated 9/22/2006 5:38:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx writes: This leads me to believe that the collection/method to extend etc., plays a very important role, and again, has something to do with the wide range of success/disappointment we're hearing about. We use CLONE West. Dr. Bliefer was one of the pioneer's in developing these techniques. She uses a scope with the mono filament camera and we watch everything on the monitor. She gave a seminar to the members of the So. Cal. association of clubs about 7? years ago. I believe Jack Newton taped that seminar. She had just produced a litter from sperm that had been frozen 20 some odd years before. We all saw her last year, was it Westminster?, owner handling her own dog in the Bred By Winners class. While I'm on the subject, has anyone noticed the difference in costs by the Vets on the "other end" ??? Some charge twice as much as others and some even charge MORE than a surgical implant costs~! Liz _www.lealynn.com_ (http://www.lealynn.com/) _Websites by lealynn_ (http://www.lealynn.com/web.htm) GSDCA member since 1976 Signers of the Breeders Code ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================