I'm probably going to surprise you and say "maybe". Let's take this in reverse. I usually bat about 50% - 60% w/ elbows. Elbows that look beautiful come back DJD1. Then the'd (used to, now they don't certify hips/elbows anymore), go to OVC pass w/ flying colors. My vets refuse to "call" what elbows will be graded these days. DJD1 doesn't bother me. I've had very senior dogs w/ DJD1 never take a bad step. (Note, I am NOT talking UAP). Hips? I once passed on a beautiful bitch who would have been a real asset to my breeding program who had a tiny flat spot and wasn't going to certify. Other than that flat spot, hips were beautiful, deep set etc. It was never going to bother her. I would make a very different decision today. With all of the other crap I am afraid of in today's pedigrees...I'd roll the dice. There's a whole lot of dogs not living enough to know if they will need a little glucosamine at 12+. As far as showing, sure, I'd finish her, maybe not special but for different reasons. IF I am going to breed a bitch I want her to have her first litter around 3 (no later) and I spay girls at 6. I just find it's easier to get and keep them pregnant if they have a litter by 3 and harder after 6. Sure there are exceptions, but I made enough installments to my repro vets' children's college funds to know not to count on exceptions. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit http://www.pinehillgsds.com/ In a message dated 9/10/2013 8:33:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kebre1@xxxxxxx writes: Hi, I was asked the other day, if you had bitch that you were showing and won a select. Then had her x-rayed and found out she was bad elbows and hips would you continue to show her, even at the nationals again.??? Also , would you breed her?? I couldn't honestly answer this...had my own opinions but wondered what your opinions on this would be.... I personally would not put any more money into showing the animal..... what do you all think.... thanks... ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================