In a message dated 9/11/13 2:05:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, blackhawkfarms214@xxxxxxxxx writes: I agree with you Kay. We all remember how beautiful Sel Ch. Houston of Wildwood ROM was. He didn't pass OFA and a large number of his progeny were OFA good or better. I wasn't going to do it, but I might as well. Gotti had an elbow that would not pass, and Houston has a hip that would not pass. We combined Houston and Gotti to get Big Ben. Ben became the number one producer one year, and then his son, Mephisto the next year. They produced great hips and elbows, and so Tedi was able to breed to the quality, and was careful to avoid doubling up with the problems. You never can take one thing and ignore the total dog. Now, bad hips and elbows, probably would be pushing it. I will put up with one problem if I can breed away from it. So far I haven't found the perfect dog. Although the one that sleeps on the bed at night is coming close. I would not campaign a dog with bad hips, because unless you are going to have a stud dog, why spend the money. Kirk has his Select Excellent so he has good hips and elbows. I would not have shown him with less, but that is just me. I might breed to someone however, if I could breed away from the problem. What makes a terrible tough German shepherd so fond of hugs? Tami was spending some time with us. She tried to come in the house when we weren't home. She can tell you what Kirk is like if he thinks you are a problem. Evan L. Ginsburg gsyrfund.com Asgard German Shepherds _http://www.asgardgsd.com_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================