After you figure all of that, isn't there some studies that say the way
genes interact isn't just by being individuals, but there are mutations
caused by combining?
It is simple when you think about it.
It is complicated when I think about it.
I was avoiding saying anything, but years ago I had a case where
Evan
http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/
http://www.dogshowjuniors.com/GSYRFindex.asp
http://asgardgermanshepherd.com/
In a message dated 11/11/2016 9:10:43 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
Reminds me of a song that was going around when I was a kid titled.....
'I'm My Own Grampa'...... <G>
She is contributing 1/2 of the total.......but Isn't it 25% less of NEW
genes received in that litter....or 25% more of the SAME genes you would
have gotten anyway? Just getting those same genes....again. Doubling up
on her, means less "new" genes coming in since there is one less dog
bringing in more new genes? ( not talking about traits or dominant or
recessive.......just percentage ) It is hard for me as a breeder to look at
it
this way...as a "percentage".....as we are always concerned with traits,
dominant genes and recessives that we use to improve or to stay away from....
Let's just say each dog has 1,000 genes ( yeah yeah I know..... not even
close ) <G> but we have to have some kind of 'even' starting place to
get this picture. Like 1,000 building blocks. It would be almost like
not getting 25% new genes available......or blocks. <G>
You are getting the 1,000 of the Grand Dams genes twice. ( you don't get
MORE new genes from her each time she appears ) Same 1,000 genes, but
instead of 4,000 all new genes in the breeding from four lines ( or four
dogs )...you are getting 3,000 new genes totaled together from three
lines. ( or dogs ) One 1,000 being a repeat of her already 'donated' 1,000.
In other words...she can only bring in her 'original' 1,000 genes. If
in this theory they each have 1,000 DIFFERENT genes each... all different
from each other. You just made the gene pool SMALLER, instead of one dog
being a "bigger percentage".....?? So you do not have 50% MORE genes
from her. You still just have her 1,000 ..( you have 25% less of 4,000
possible new genes than from an outcross on all four dogs...??
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Behalf Of edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 10:30
AMTo: freelistSubject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Question
Yes genes have different traits and expressions , I'm not saying the genes
from grandmother are exactly the same, I'm just saying grandmother is
contributing 50 % of the total! In a total out cross both parents contribute
50% which means a litter of two non related parents are getting 25% from the
4 grandparents.... because each pup gets 50 % from each parent, if one
grandparent appears on each side of the pedigree that grandparent is
contributing a higher percentage of genes.... if I were in a classroom I would
put a
diagram on the board! lol Ed
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From: Bedkar
To: edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: freelist
Sent: November 10, 2016 at 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Question
No....
don't forget that there are grandsires involved.
And you must consider that different traits have
different modes of genetic transmission....some are
dominate and some are recessive.
http://thebark.com/content/trait-relationships-and-genetics-dogs
Good article on canine genetics.
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From: edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: "freelist" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 9:00:09 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Question
First let me wish everyone Merry Christmas, yes in deed today IS
Christmas, but I won't get into that today.... my question is if you have a
puppy
who is out of a half brother, half sister breeding both having the same
mother, is the puppy genetically 50 percent of the grandmother.... and if so,
basically the grandmother is genetically also the mother... hard to ask this
via email. Been arguing this with my wife for two days! Ed
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