In a message dated 11/15/2005 11:38:37 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx writes: They want to schedule him for surgery. I believe he is too young to be traumatized by surgery that may not be necessary. The owner is worried and wants to do the right thing. Any thoughts out there? I'd like to hear your >>> I think the rule of thumb is if it is smaller in diameter than a quarter, then leave it alone. If it is leaking urine , however, surgery is necessary. I have seen many puppies with umbilical hernias, never once saw one that needed surgery...ever. Kathy WEBSITE UPDATED: NOV 12, 2005 _http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com_ (http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com/) VICTORY GSDs, There Is Something In A Name ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================