Interesting, because there was just a discussion along these lines on the SETTERS-L list. Anyway, here are some comments from a pet owner, in the style of NHANSBURG: 1) In 1996, I paid $400 for a 9-mo old English Setter puppy whose breeder had kept 2 back but decided the other was a better show prospect, and $400 for an 8-wk old pet-quality GSD puppy from show lines. I'd have to dig for details, but from memory the ES had 2 CH parents and the GSD had 1 CH parent and a lot of obedience titles in the family. Both pups had pedigrees full of OFA numbers. Both breeders were active in their Denver-area breed clubs. We'd visited the ES breeder at her home the year before to discuss the breed, the dogs, our lifestyle, etc. We met the GSD breeder at a "meet the public" event and I think at an all-breed show, talked some on the phone, and visited the litter 2-3 times to help socialize them and continue talking with the breeder. 2) With 5% annual increase in cost, $400 in 1996 would translate to about $650 in 2006. 3) I know that these breeders are not making money on pups. I don't think it's fair to factor in costs of championships into "cost of pups", because I assume these folks are pursuing their championships (in conformation, obedience, herding, or hunting) for themselves and their love of the dog/sport rather than to increase the monetary value of their "product". But I do understand that health clearances, breeding fees, vet services, food, whelping materials etc. add up. (Steve & I didn't get OFA'd before we began Kate, but there were a variety of tests and lots of prenatal visits, not to mention that unplanned C-section ;) I'm sympathetic!). 4) I assume that the breeders are having litters for some combination of the following: desire to produce a better dog/bitch than they have (i.e. improve their lines), desire to improve the breed by passing along their idea of what's good in the gene pool, desire to smell puppy breath. I view my part in things this way: I end up with a not-quite-standard dog with a solid background and a very good start on life (health & socialization), while the breeder places one of the inevitable not-quite-standard dogs in a thoughtful loving home. My home is not perfect, but everyone is clean, well-fed, loved, more-or-less obedient, and gets regular medical care -- and only my husband got given away during the divorce :). 5) I have a full-time professional job, a modest 1960's house, a 12-yr-old minivan, 1 kid, 2 dogs, 2 cats. This year the amount I budgeted for my pets worked out to 7% of my net income; that's 7th place after housing, savings, charitable giving, transportation, child care, and groceries. I know that one local GSD breeder's web site lists $1000 for pet puppies; that may be fair, but it's more than I believe I could responsibly spend, knowing who and what I already have committed to care for. (And one thing I keep in mind is that a new 2-20 month old dog always comes with start up costs, usually a spay/neuter plus maybe hip x-ray plus 1 random extra medical problem.) Cheers, Leslie -- Leslie M. Hartten web: http://spot.colorado.edu/~hartten Indi (TerraNorte's Midnight Indigo, German Shepherd Dog) & Brittany (Upland Sweet Baker, English Setter) -- Disclaimer: The contents of this message are mine personally and do not necessarily reflect any position of the Government of the United States of America, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, or the University of Colorado. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================