I agree with Ed. Numbers don't always designate a "puppy mill" four to five litters per year is nothing compared to the big kennels of yesterday where handlers lived on the grounds and kennel masters ran the kennels. If a breeder can give proper care to 4-5 litters per year..keep them clean and in a clean environment, make sure they are well socialized and loved and provided the best food that one can afford add to this that the breeder have a purpose in mind..that is either bettering the breed by breeding excellent specimens of the breed and/or breeding to continue on that kennels lineage for future generations..who is to say it is wrong? On the flip side we have those who may only have a couple of litters of year..don't care much for the puppies..feed them cheaply, they live in a squalor and there is no purpose other than to sell pets or if they are conformation breeders and the puppies are not looking so great they get ignored and worse yet mistreated. There have been breeders who have done things I wouldn't do and which I would consider reckless and perhaps I have done things they wouldn't do. We don't need more breed "Nazis"..we have enough control freaks in this game as it is. Seems like there is someone out there always wanting to make a new rule..or manipulating the current rules to suit their need or complaining about anything they can find to complain about or trying to create problems where problems don't exist.. As of late I think common sense has gone by the wayside. C.Grainger > [Original Message] > From: Edwin Hill <edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <wernersommers@xxxxxxxxx>; freelist <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: 10/10/2006 10:50:06 AM > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Puppy Mills > > I mean no disrespect to the person that asked this question, but this question and others like it are the exact questions that trigger ( I don't use that word often..lol..) hostilities and animosity among breeders and club members...if YOU think breeding 4 or 5 litters a year is too many, than don't do it...why do you need to label some one who does not agree with your number...how many litters should one bitch have? again the only answer is....it depends on the bitch.... Peta and other groups like them are not our biggest enemy...WE ARE OUR BIGGEST ENEMY...most will not understand this...intelligence and logical thinking is NOT over represented on this list..Ed Hill > Werner Sommers <wernersommers@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: How many litters per year can a breeder have before they become a puppy mill?I would think 4 or 5. > Also how many litters should one bitch have? > > Werner > > Image German Shepherd Dogs > -home of- > Am/Can Ch. Scher-Lo's Mr.Karizma OFA h/e > > http://community.webshots.com/album/125344462zaHnik > > --------------------------------- > Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. 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