In a message dated 3/12/2007 9:34:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, albertdetmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: but the profit from the dogs got into the way of common sense. I want to shake their hand (facetiously!). I've learned NOT to look at my doggy checking account, not to look at the bottom line of vet bills (it's an art!), not to look at order totals from KV and Revival or to EVER calculate the costs of good food, heartworm preventative, the flea and tick stuff and the service that I have come treat the grounds for ticks...I learned long ago NEVER factor in the cost of good fencing...maybe it's different with little dogs. Profit???? But seriously, I'd say both individuals you mention were puppy mills. I have a loose definition; any breeding done without the improvement of a particular breed taken into consideration is "back yard". A big back yard operation falls into the puppy mill category. Kathy member GSDCA, DVGSDC three generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================