I totally agree with Helen on this one. I doubt that the puppies at weaning have the ability to digest red meat. In the wild at weaning time the mother eats the kill, holds it in her stomach and then pukes it up for the puppies to eat After it is about half digested. I have had two bitches that would do this for their puppies. Izzy on the other had would go upstairs and beg for hot dogs :0) She would then run down to Izzy's room and place it in the middle of the whelping box and call the puppies to it. She would get so disappointed when they would latch on to her in stead of the hot dog. Lord I miss that dog!!! Best brood bitch I ever had. I have always raised my puppies on soaked kibble and so far the average age of my dogs is about 12.5 years. I soak it for about 2 weeks and then slowly switch it to dry. I have never soaked adult food and have never had a dog bloat. Izzy started to bloat once but that was because she had been playing with the garden hose and had filled herself with water and air chashing the stream. I put her in the car, called my vet and said Izzy is bloating I'll meet you at the office. The bumpy ride burped her and I am sure she passed some gas, That office call was a spendy lesson in not letting a dog over do with the garden hose.!!! Terry --- On Sat, 6/6/09, helenfranklin520@xxxxxxx <helenfranklin520@xxxxxxx> wrote: From: helenfranklin520@xxxxxxx <helenfranklin520@xxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Puppy Deaths To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 7:53 AM I have been asked what food I fed that caused the death of the puppies. I was living in Los Angeles at the time and the biggest supplier of pet food was L.A. Pet Supply. I fed their ground throat muscle meat that came in 5lb frozen packages. It was highly recommended by other breeders and was not cheap. The meat was lean and had a fresh smell. I mixed the meat with kibble, cottage cheese, yogurt, garlic, coat conditioner, and some vitamins. Each dog got at least a pound a day. It is important to note at this time that adult dogs are carrion eaters and can digest meats without much problem. It's only the baby puppies at weaning time that cannot. I never suspected the meat because it appeared so fresh, until I had a lab test it. It is extremely expensive to conduct this test, and the results were astonishing. High e-coli and bacteria were present, so much so that the lab recommend not touching it without gloves. My adult dogs thrived on this meat, and at that time I was feeding it, I had two Selects and a Maturity Victrix. (all in beautiful condition). Wean baby puppies on beef graded for human consumption only. We old timers who have learned the hard way, are here to save you our mistakes. Helen Franklin 44 Year Member GSDCA Put an A O E in the Ped-i-gree ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================