What a lot of great info i received, quicker than a call to the vet :) I think the 'nursing fairy" was around when i was not with the female which i was with her for almost the last 24hrs except for 3 when i had to run into work and my son checked on the mom and pups every half hour, because somehow these little suckers gained about 25 grams some not quite as much but if i remember correctly the leerburg video says 25 grams a day is a good thing for newborns to gain for shepherds, these are not shepherds but they are the same size as shepherd pups lol i did get the fresh goats milk early in the AM with the baby bottles but the little witches/warlocks were telling me to go to HECK they wanted no part, so i just kept forcing them to be with mom, HOWEVER, i noticed that when i came back from work, the female was laying sideways, she was sitting up and it was harder for the pups to nurse IMO but she probably just relaxed so after she cleaned the crap out of them (no pun intended) she relaxed long enough for them to nurse.... she was no way stressed by me being there, she loves me.. she wasn't nervous, she felt her job was clean first, eat later i guess lol anyway... thanks so much i appreciate everyone sending out the help.. i am not fully convinced they are out of the woods, i just am not as stressed, hopefully they nurse normal (normal like my glutton shepherds do lol) my son, who thinks he can name every animal that is in his arms reach has named the litter to go with the Mom, the moms Name is Cassie, the 5 males are Steve, Ronnie, Alan, Gary, and Leon, the girls are leslie and jojo, can anyone figure out who he is tributing?? lol if you cant figure it out check out his youtube video he's the one with the long curly hair... Yes everyone that's our little "Harry Potter" at 15!!! _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vn2UKUFWZQ_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vn2UKUFWZQ) again thank you!!!!!! DM In a message dated 10/23/2008 5:32:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, WyMarGSD2@xxxxxxx writes: What do you do with 7 healthy strong warm puppies who were whelped between 7pm and 11pm last night that just dont want to nurse? very strong little things but i think they were born premature. weights are between 366 grams and 466 (not shepherd) helping out a friend here and not sure what to suggest. Mom is super clean and always cleaning them and knocks them off when they put the pups to nurse, when she cleans them. its now 12 hrs since birth no one really eating except 2 min every few hours forcing them thank you **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics ââ?¬â?? check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redirhttp:/ /www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics â?? check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redirhttp://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================