that's the problem, the mother is cleaning and cleaning and cleaing them knocking them off her, so they just say "ok" and even when i put a puppy on her to try to force them, she goes to that one to clean lol she was pissin me offf a little :) so i took her head and held it and said NO!!! so she stopped for aminute the puppies are excreting so maybe when i am not in there they are tricking me that they are nursing lol they weigh more than they did 12 hrs ago in grams so perhaps i am missing it? thanks so much all In a message dated 10/23/2008 8:34:30 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, SallyHH31 writes: Don't forget also to clean their bottoms to make them go potty. I always used wet cotton balls for that job :) **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics â?? check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redirhttp://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================