Out of curiosity... I have been to two All Breed shows recently, where this topic came up. At the one show, a Judge put up a dog, who was not the "popular" vote (but most shepherd people would agree definitely was deserving of the win). Afterwards, while waiting for pictures, she commented on the dog she had dumped, and mentioned that she was glad she was no longer a provisional judge, or she was sure the AKC Reps would be saying something to her about her judging. Evidently, while she was a provisional, she was approached more than once by AKC reps, and was basically told she needed to put certain popular dogs BOB, as they would be expecting them in the Group Ring.... or something to that effect. Paul opines... I'm sorry...but this juz is a stretch. AKC Reps rarely if ever, even speak to most provisional Judges other than to evaluate them or answer questions the Judge may have. If it is true...it shouldn't be hard to get that Rep sacked in a heart beat. I do know that Group politics is a mighty force but there are Judges that don't play the game. I offer a 'tip o' da hat' to those and ran into a few juz last week in Tucson. You could tell the difference in a heart beat so it makes me wonder how a provisional Judge could be asked to alter the practice of judging dogs and become a willing sycophant of an AKC Rep. JMO...as always... Paul ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================