Thank you Peggy and you are absolutely correct! Moreover, I appreciate the specific reference to this term (i. e. author, chapter, page, etc.) and how its usage amongst recognized authorities on the subject... It is unclear why would anyone that correctly understands "Dog and Breed" specific terminology would chose to reference an inapplicable source(s) to make a point that has such little relevance to the topic? To say the very least, its confusing to those, novice or otherwise, who use these sites as reliable sources of breed education. And frankly, who cares how the term is used in humans and bugs as I thought we were talking dogs, specifically the GSD! So as a point of reference for Jodi, Doc Zoe, Mike, etc., I might suggest a bit more reading on breed specific history before making nonsensical assertions that run contrary to the breed's founder, breed authorities, and the written breed standard! As a place to start, Rittmeister (Calvary Captain) Max von Stephanitz uses the term "Prosternum" beginning in his first book (i.e. The German Shepherd Dog in Word and Picture, circa 1923) and quite frankly, that's good enough for me! ,) lol... Regards, Randy Msg: #8 in digest From: "pmick12" <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Prosternum in bugs - Posternum in Mammals Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:04:28 -0500 OK here we go again. Rather than using a book meant for humans, I suggest some of you obtain a copy of Harry Spira's book...CANINE TERMINOLOGY -- (Dr. Harold R. Spira)....published in this country by Howell Book House and now in its umpeenth printing... Dr. Spira was, until his death in 1991, a world-reknown expert in canine matters...not just health, but also judging. On page 110, he defines the PROSTERNUM... "that portion of the breast bone that projects beyond the point of the shoulder when seen in profile, e.g., Dachshund..." and he refers to figures 11, 193, and 288 (which are in his book, also). So stop the arguing...Randy was correct. At least among knowledgeable dog people...........not human medical techs, etc. Peggy Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================