Oh My, after reading this mans sensationalized retort I'm almost ready to jump sides. Unfortunately, the states efforts to prevent " Do it Yourself C-Sections" aren't hype. We just had a man who was charged here in Lancaster County admit to doing it. He also amputated legs that had become gangrenous from injuries sustained by a dog falling thru the wire bottom of his cage. As for tail-docking being no more painful than clipping toenails? Oh, come on. Both tail docking and dewclaw removal are painful even when done at 3 days ( which is considered the optimal time). Do the puppies recover quickly, yes. But they still yelp and cry. Now, don't write and tell me why its important to remove dewclaws. I know why, and I would agree. However, show John Q. Public a video of a puppy having it done, or its tail docked and they'll call Mr. Yates a liar. It is not the same as clipping toenails. ....And thats on a Good Day!!! I have seen far to many puppys with hugely infected paws because they were done late and with dirty instruments. Mr. Yates is assuming all puppys are kept clean and in a clean enviroment. Unfortunately that isn't true. I"ve said it before, and I'll say it again...I think aligning ourselves with the puppy millers is a mistake. They are going to drag us down with them. Pa. is trying to reconize the difference between a hobbyist and a commercial breeder and if that means we have to do dewclaws by day 4, or take them to a vet so be it. If your operating budget is that close then you don't have anything for emergencies ( like a C-Section) either. As for dog law arresting people because they don't have documentation at what age thier adult dog was had its dewclaws removed or its tail docked....do you really think dog law has nothing else to do? Puppy sales bring too much money into the state for stupid stuff like that. Please spare the "first they came for the hunter" story. JMO as always, Sue T. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================