[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Prong Discussion
- From: Terry Cochran <fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, Stormy435@xxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:33:30 -0700 (PDT)
I always tell people to put the prong collar on their own arm and see who it
feels, then put the choke collar around their own neck pull sharply and then
tell me which one is more scary. Trust me the pinch is much more humane then
the chock collar. Most people's timing is so bad with the chock collar they
should not be allowed to use one. The pinch is power stirring for the dog. They
self correct and both owner and dog are much happier.
I have 4 dogs with me at all times. All of them were trained on a pinch. Most
of the time they don't wear any collar at all. Here in the woods they could get
caught up in the brush if they wore a choker they could kill themselves. They
all can do a drop on recall and I can get them to do a very nice recall off a
deer in flight. Victor has never been seriously trained to do anything but he
is just a goofy boy who really wants to please the mom.
Now for today's walk in the woods. I saw a huge coyote fishing for Kokanee
today.I wonder why they can eat the fish not not get sick. Victor ate one and
was very ill for a month. The coyotes here are as big as the GSD's It makes you
wonder if the are dog crosses. The eagles have been fishing right in front of
the cabin but we can tell they are moving up stream. The vine maple is in full
glory now and the dog wood is bright pink. The sky here is so very very blue.
The full moon at night shines through the tall timber and makes the Metolius
river look like liquid silver. Only the constant roar of the water flow lets
you know it is still the mighty river that is has always been.
Life is good
Terry
--- On Tue, 10/14/08, Stormy435@xxxxxxx <Stormy435@xxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Stormy435@xxxxxxx <Stormy435@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Prong Discussion
To: spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 12:05 PM
And that is where we have the problem. The public views the prong collar as
abusive and scary. They see the dog that needs it as dangerous. When I
was did the "public education" part of a Paws in the Park" a
coupleof years ago,
I was asked not to bring the prong collars as part of my collar display. (I
have nylon collars, flat collars, halti's, martingales, chain collars, fur
savers and others in my collection) The reasoning was that (as above) they
are
viewed as abusive. At some AKC events they aren't allowed on grounds by
entrants. Not in the ring, on the grounds.
As Laura said, any training method CAn be abusive. I have seen some abuse
in the ring by handlers with the choke collar, the dog jerked so fiercely that
the dog was jerked up and back off the ground. That to me is abusive.
STormy
In a message dated 10/14/08 11:55:40 AM, spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> To me, as a GSD person, it is important that my dogs maintain a good image
> in public - with proper training and manners (and a little help from a
prong
> collar at times).
>
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