And that is where we have the problem. The public views the prong collar as abusive and scary. They see the dog that needs it as dangerous. When I was did the "public education" part of a Paws in the Park" a coupleof years ago, I was asked not to bring the prong collars as part of my collar display. (I have nylon collars, flat collars, halti's, martingales, chain collars, fur savers and others in my collection) The reasoning was that (as above) they are viewed as abusive. At some AKC events they aren't allowed on grounds by entrants. Not in the ring, on the grounds. As Laura said, any training method CAn be abusive. I have seen some abuse in the ring by handlers with the choke collar, the dog jerked so fiercely that the dog was jerked up and back off the ground. That to me is abusive. STormy In a message dated 10/14/08 11:55:40 AM, spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: > To me, as a GSD person, it is important that my dogs maintain a good image > in public - with proper training and manners (and a little help from a prong > collar at times). > *~^*~^*~^*~^*~^*~^*~^*~^*~^*~^* http://www.FairhopeGSD.com Dogs love is different. It requires no return. ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================