Colleen, When we love each other as much as we say we love the breed, the breed will improve. Keep the faith. Terry www.Fairwayshepherds.com Colleen Donnelly <gsdsforlife@xxxxxxxx> wrote: Ed, I know you said after this post that you wrote it on a grumpy day. Quite honestly, I believe you meant what you said in THIS post. Why do I believe it? Because of posts you and others have said before concerning it and the lack of posts after. And as well my own small corner of the world dictates it, sans 2 breeders. ( and you 2 ladies know who you are ) There are others in my province/country I am sure are *true* to the breed, I have never met. ( I hope to meet you soon! ) What you said below is disgusting to me. And sadly, I believe it is the norm. Of course breeders breed to win....but oh my gawd....to win with a great temperament, great health, etal, isn't, SHOULDN'T that be part of the master plan??????? I am MADLY in love with this breed. I am incredibly disillusioned when I see this. It simply reinforces my thoughts from before that most breeders do not care TRULY for the breed. It's about some warped sense of ego. I suppose I should have emailed you this personally....but I want to know others thoughts. Only one, thank you Kathy, bothered? cared? dared to? respond. *sigh* I will be getting my very first show puppy ( hopefully she will conform ) late this year. I NEVER EVER thought I would go this route. EVER. ( the people on this list that personally know me will attest to that ) Your facts/tirade/ made me rethink. What's the point to breeding if you are not breeding to TRY to perfect/help the health and temperament etal? Shows and winning should be the last thing on your mind. ( unless of course it is a money maker and then shame on you ) Breeding to help the breed should be #1. What the hell is wrong with trying to help the breed??? I am disgusted, yet again. Colleen Donnelly Edwin Hill wrote: what a concept!....breed GSDs to do what they were breed to do?......well I don't mean to sound "flip"....we in this "show" area breed to win!...plain and simple...oh yea folks will give you that old stand by..."only breed to improve the breed"......BS...improve it to do what....chase bad guys, herd farmer John's sheep, lead my blind ex-wife.....oh no...we breed ( conformation breeders) to have that dog run around the ring looking for us...we breed to win....and I am involved too, so I am not criticizing what we do....but lets call it the way it is.........its a sport to some, hobby for others and a business for a few others....we enjoy doing it...unfortunately there are far to many people doing it who shouldn't be.....Edwin "B" Hill Stephen Reierstad wrote: Dania wrote: learned to run very fast and can keep up with the race. Is that how we want to see our dogs shown? 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