Hi Kathy...I spoke in general terms...and I will back track just a little...not every conformation breeder is breeding bad dogs, I would guess that most are not, but too many are....I don't want to see this breed get too far away from being the kind of hero dog that I believed it to be when I was a kid.....or maybe I'm just going through the "change " of life..I was grumpy yesterday...now its time to deal with the anti social GSD nutcase in my back yard.....life is hard, and then you die.....Ed Rbuffdogs@xxxxxxx wrote: In a message dated 1/10/2006 7:12:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: chase bad guys, herd farmer John's sheep, lead my blind ex-wife.....oh no...we breed ( conformation breeders) to have that dog run around the ring looking for us Ed, I feel your frustration on this issue, but PLEASE do not speak for all breeders , many of us are breeding for the total GSD, dogs that do protect instead of cowering when a judge walks up, dogs that would make xint guide or therapy dogs, dogs that have strong herding instinct. We too, get tired of dogs bred for the ALMIGHTY sidegait, at the complete sacrifice of a brain, a work ethic, breedtype and true athleticism. Do we breed to win? Sure, we like a nice win as much as the next. But when we breed we are breeding for EXCEPTIONAL GSDs, not for "show dogs" . We breed and get dogs that can go all day , and WANT TO, dogs with "not afraid of the devil" temperament, dogs that are correct, and ATHLETIC, that can do anything called upon their owners to do. We breed for dogs that can do anything called upon it to do, and do so with a gleam in their eyes, and full throttle. Yes Ed, some breeders do only breed for the win, or for rear, or for sidegait. They end up in many cases with quivering messes, that have NO work ethic, no real athleticism, no BRAINS, that are viewed as freaks of nature by the general populous. It is maddening to people like us, and I know there are many, that really ARE trying to breed good dogs, good GSDs. We feel it is because of these breeding standards that our dogs win......in all venues. And yes Ed, I GUARANTEE our dogs will chase and vanquish a Bad Guy, and in the same day be a loving companion to a disabled child....no question. Your friend always Kathy WEBSITE UPDATED: NOV 29, 2005 http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com VICTORY GSDs, There Is Something In A Name ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================