I suppose because it's proven that this is the breeder who is doing the right thing but they refuse to release the dog to a responsible party unless they can neuter it first. This is a sore point with me because a similar situation happened with me when my house cat escaped and was turned into the HS. I found out about it but they refused to give me my cat back until I paid the adoption fee. And yes I have taken a dog out of a shelter and yes they do let you take an intact animal.....it depends on the policies of that particular HS. I misread her email though, I thought she was the co-owner so you have a point. Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx wrote: In a message dated 6/5/2007 1:17:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cinosamgsd@xxxxxxxxx writes: Well it's probably to late now to save the dogs testicles, but for or a little payback, Imight write a check to the Humane Society and put a stop payment on it the minute I walked out the door with my dog. Let them screw around trying to get the money from me. Also remember, anyone can file a lawsuit for anyone reason...if you wanted to purse it further you could go that route....just make sure that you get all the names of the individuals you showed the paperwork too when you tried to get your dog back intact. Finally, if you aren't ready to give up, why not contact the local police and see if they will accompany you to the HS. Afterall they do have your valuable property and once neutered the dog will be less valuable to you. Unfortunately because the dog was surrendered, things might be more difficult. You may want to pursue something against the co-owners instead. Cindy The Humane society isn't the bad guy here, why write a check you intend to cancel???? (Illegal in a lot of states anyway.) The OWNERS turned the dog in. Someone else ADOPTING can only take the dog once he's neutered. The BREEDER (Barb), gave the dog away "placing it in a pet home" per the e-mail. No co-ownership mentioned in the e-mail. It's no longer the BREEDER'S property. Now, Barb's going to do the right thing, collect a dog she bred from the shelter and re-home him I'm sure. But the humane society looked for a chip, found the breeder, contacted the breeder, all good things. Why make a federal case against them? Have you ever taken a dog out of a shelter? They don't let the dog go to people adopting while they are still intact. It isn't Barb's dog, she can't prove with any recent records that it is, so be it. These aren't new rules. When Cody got loose at the Ohio National, I was told by the Humane Society in Columbus, if they got him, they would hold him for 3 days for the owner (me) to claim. If I didn't claim him, they'd neuter him and he'd be placed for adoption. If I did claim him, I'd need proof of ownership. I always carry rabies certs, microchip info and local, county licenses in the van, so I had more than enough proof. The catalog from the National wouldn't have hurt either <G>. Now, they didn't get him, he went to the OSU campus, but I would have had to prove all that if they had. AND, that's not a bad thing, they are doing their job. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC three generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions live here! visit www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds --------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com. Cindy www.cinosamgsd.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================