Jim, I am sure beauty is in the eye of the beholder.? But how can you say that a dog who is incorrect is prettier that one who is correct?? I don't see it.? I love GSD's and when I read our standard I see a beautiful animal in my minds eye. For years some of our top handlers tried to pass off pretty as correct... saying "Oh I KNOW he doesn't move like some of the great dogs in the past but look how correct he is.? Well, as time marches on we see how correct that actually is. I'll take the correct dogs because they can move and that is pretty. Gary Lewis -----Original Message----- From: James Barnhart <jim_barnhart@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: gsd0110@xxxxxxx Cc: ELG440@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:56 am Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Pretty vs Correct Gary if what you are saying is true then there are a whole lot of ugly dogs out there. Jim Barnhart? ? On Oct 10, 2008, at 7:20 AM, gsd0110@xxxxxxx wrote:? ? >> usually it is due to lack of drive?off the rear; which is usually >> due to >> incorrect croup placement.... UGLY..... or I see a forehand >> that is too >> straight with lack of proper shoulder lay-on and >> shoulder angulation.... >> UGLY. (snipped)? ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================