Randy, I will admit this. I do feel emphasis is based more on movement and type at the specialties than color. I will readily admit that color is not the "thing" at specialty shows. Some of the dogs I have seen at specialties I shudder to think what would happen at the all breeds. Nothing wrong, but a nice rich black and red/gold with red/gold through the saddle doesnt offend me, but I know a few who would "raise an eyebrow" to it. Mike Lynch ----- Original Message ----- From: RChesnut70502@xxxxxxx To: hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; CagGra@xxxxxxx ; blackhawkfarmsllc@xxxxxxxxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Pretty vs Correct In a message dated 10/8/2008 12:26:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time, hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: I agree with the below. It is all about leveling the playing field. Some judges use "pigment" or "coloration" as a deciding factor for their winners. If you have ever had a judge say "I like your dog's structure as well as the other dog's, so my deciding factor was color.." and you know the winner has been enhanced, it is a hard pill to swallow. So the average exhibitor then feels that he will not ever be put in that position again, so he "levels" the playing field, so as not to have "color" ever be a deciding factor between a win and a loss.It is right? No..is it understandable? YES! For awhile, Steve showed keeshonds. This breed is supposed to be shown"naturally, " However, all have trimmed,hocks, pasterns, feet, and then sculpted to create the "ideal" silhouette. Legs are also chalked and then tons of hair spray applied to hold that "ideal" silhouette in place!Muzzles are also darkened with mascara, along with enhancing the dark "spectacles" which are one of the characteristics of the breed. No one exhibits their keeshonds "naturally" and I have never seen a judge penalize a keeshond for being trimmed..however I have seen many put at the end of the class for looking "too natural" Since judges are or were former exhibitors or handlers, they know the tricks of the trade and what they have done themselves when they were showing, no matter what breed. Perhaps that why many judges turn their heads to enhancements. Keep in mind that when we ask handlers to show our dogs, we ask them to show them in away to "hide" or "mask" their faults.We show dogs on tight leads to make the dogs drop in the rear, handlers string them up to give them top line, hide weak backs and make dogs appear to have forehands when they do not. We ask handlers to slip a finger in the slot of a missing tooth, in hopes that the judge does not see, or train " spooks" through a temperament tests, not just to attain championships, but to go select as well!!! Deception comes in many colors, not just "red". These things might not violate AKC rules, but they are deceptions, and in some cases possibly worse than dye! Signed especially for Tom E "JMHO"..Christine hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Steve and Christine Grainger While I totally agree with the above it is not saying very much for Judges of our breed. There are very few times when I judge that it is ever that close to call color into judgement. Shepherds come in a variety of colors that are acceptable. While beautiful black and red pigment is very desirable, it should not be as important as proper physical structure and movement. Only rarely will I see a faded out color with light eyes. But such would be minor distractions compared to improper structure and inadequate movement. Me thinks that some judges are putting their priorities in the wrong place. Randy C. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================