Jeff, I can see both sides of this issue. Newbies, especially those who are new to the List, have not been through the cycle of the passionate, sometimes ugly posts. They come on thinking this as an informative List, which it is, but they get in the middle of a dispute. We are a passionate bunch, no doubt about that. But, until that same person also sees how we band together in support of anyone who is in need, they only see the one side. We are a true dysfunctional family. But, we are a family in our mutual love for this Breed. We fight, we disagree and we sometimes get ugly. But when the chips are down, we all step up to the plate to help those in need. That is what the newbies need to know.  The List allows us to voice our opinions and thoughts. We gain much knowledge from the people on this List.  Newbies, don't look at the petty differences with disgust, look at the big picture. We are all here share our knowledge, to learn about and promote this Breed. All the discontent will pass and we will be on to new subjects that will be of interest to you. Hang in there, and you will see we really are good people, just passionate and opinionated :-) Laura Thomas      -----Original Message----- From: caggra@xxxxxxx To: izakabuska@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; foxhavengs@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 9:35 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Prayers needed for Paul Root Personally I am tired of seeing newbies treated like that Iza. Most dog people nd listers ARE a great bunch of people, but we are all very opinionated, most ven aggressive in personality. Not necessarily a bad thing, especially in ompetition. However, if we all have a right to our opinions then so do ewbies. would think we would be most intelligent to be as nice to all new people as we an. They are where are entries & support will be coming from.  eff Pyle ----Original Message----- rom: Iza Kabuska <izakabuska@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> o: foxhavengs@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ent: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 12:47 pm ubject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Prayers needed for Paul Root I know you have a delete button, and you can always "unsubscribe" yourself om the list - Personally, I am tired of "newbies" saying how disgusted ey are about the list, show people, etc. I think we are all a great bunch people - za Kabuska tp://www.karizmashepherds.com --- Original Message ----- om: "Denise Fox" <foxhavengs@xxxxxxx> : <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> nt: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:39 AM bject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Prayers needed for Paul Root I open this e-mail with the subject line Prayers needed for Paul Root and nther subject can't have it both ways. Wow this is how the list prays for ne of there own on the list. In a earlier e-mail Bill asked the list not o post anything regarding what happen for respect for the Root family. his is how we show respect! As a newbie I am completely disgusted with the ist and how everyone is behaving. Denise Fox Why are you all of a sudden feigning concern after you've been slamming him against the wall all day, Kathy? Do you think Lissa was lying? I've never know the VA to have the latest technology-so the person you spoke with may bewrong, and sometimes they will not tell you for privacy reasons. Regardless of how you or I or anyone feels about Paul's actions, he is VERY ill, and may be dying. Please show some respect for him and for Jenn. JMHO, Cyndy Wow that is a shame...we just tried to call the VA hospital to send a card heis according to the VA neither in Mather VA nor Martinez VA hospitals...hashe been transferred or released? 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