Great post Doris--I agree with you 100%. When the pros bring the best dogs they usually do win but that is the breaks of the game. Sandi Card ----- Original Message ----- From: "irrenhaus4" <irrenhaus4@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "New Showlist" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 9:01 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Political wins > I am no doubt opening an argument, but have a couple of comments to make on so-called political judging. > At specialty shows, very often ringside sees a prominent handler win, and there have been days when the same handler has really cleaned up, winning points in both dogs and bitches. Invariably there are screams of political judging!! > > I have found as an observer that handlers DO win a lot and I know why. Generally they are showing the best dogs on that particular day. They are handlers and part of their job is to pick and choose the judge(s) they feel will like a particular type of dog. Granted, occasionally there is a terrible mistake made, but it happens seldom, in my opinion. > > The answer to the problem is to breed excellent dogs, and then save up and put a really good handler on them. Let him/her choose the shows, and see if you don't get the screams of "political", too. Alternatively, become so expert yourself that you can run rings around the pros, and learn what various judges like. People on this list often ask about particular judges, most of whom I have never seen judge our breed. IMO, that is a waste of an entry fee. If they don't know Shepherds, they can't judge them well. > > I may not always agree with the judging (and yes, I did judge at one time long ago, but not German Shepherds) but I recognize the judge's right to his or her opinion, whether it is what I would put up, or not. > > Now, all-breed shows are a whole new ballgame, although they too are dominated by handlers. Many all-breed judges don't know one end of a Shepherd from the other, so depend on a familiar face to make their choices for them. The best way around this problem is to encourage clubs to hire knowledgeable judges, not people who don't know anything about our breed. And also for our good Shepherd judges to perhaps add a couple more breeds so you will be selected at all breed shows more often. > > There will always be a few wins that make you gag, but with luck they will get rarer as time goes by. Doris Estabrook > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. > > For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org > ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================