Jill Krzyzak <jillkrzyzak@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: I've been reading many of the posts recently and I'm appalled at the lack of tolerance from people on this list. The "It's my way or no way" attitude that seems so prevalent is unsettling. Whether anyone reads this or not, so be it, but I feel the need to vent about some things: 1. I've been involved in raising, training and showing dogs for over 20 years. I started in Obedience and Agility training and showing other people's dogs long before I got my first dog (Bichon Frise when I was 16). Before I graduated from high school that Bichon made it to #3 Bichon in the country in Obedience. In college I got to know Sherry Nolan (who got me started in showing GSDs - THANK YOU Sherry) and had the great pleasure of working for Sherry and with her fantastic dogs. I have an 8 1/2 year old R-Man daughter that I am losing to cancer. Even before I knew my girl was sick I had started looking at getting a new GSD puppy. A puppy that she could help me train, to learn her good habits and manners. I started looking at litter announcements on the List as Sherry had decided not to do any more breeding. Then a thread started on the List about selling puppies to people and exactly whom people would NEVER sell/give a puppy to. Many of the people on this list professed to NEVER give a puppy to anyone with young children. I was appalled that so many breeders wouldn't even consider giving a puppy to a family with young children based on one bad experience they had (and in a couple of cases, they had made this determination based on one experience some friend of theirs had). I have a 3 year old son and a 1 year old son. My boys have been and will be raised around animals. They are learning to be respectful, gentle, humane, etc. I can give stellar vet references and references from many well known people in the GSD community but that would mean nothing to these people because I happen to have small children. Many went so far as to profess that they would never make an exception to their own rule. 2. This recent discussion about house dogs vs kennel dogs is all well and good but it's gone too far. This attitude that it's so horrible to have dogs in kennels is so closed minded. What would happen to some of you that have only a couple of dogs in the house but still have litters every once in a while. Lets say that half of your last litter was returned to you all around the same time frame and you were unable to find homes for all those dogs right away. What would you do? Would you keep them until you could find homes? Tell the owners to call a rescue group? Tell them to dump the dogs to rot in a shelter because you couldn't house them? If you did keep them, what would you do with them? Crate them all, all day long if you have to work? Isn't that just as bad as having them in a kennel? At least in a kennel run they have freedom of movement, they can get up and walk, they can potty if they need to and not have to lay in it the rest of the day. Sometimes what we don't like is still a much better alternative than most of the other possibilities. Jill Hi Jill The first red flag for me when I meet anyone is when they use the phrase "I'll never..".......Either they haven't had enough experiences or they are too rigid for me to deal with. All my dogs are crate trained, kennel trained, couch trained, bed trained and potty trained. They are car trained, and Dexter prefers my husband BMW to the Van.........that punk! Since I haven't perfected that "walking on water" deal.......I am not perfect. Neither are they. So a dog having a bad day may need to go to a crate. Just recently, we had a plumbing disaster, and they had to be crated while repairs and cleanup got done. They prefer the couch, or my bed (they don't think I know they jump on my bed when I am not home......LOL). My kids were raised with dogs all around, and I am convinced they were better off because of it. I wish I had a puppy for you to consider, but I don't. But if anyone wants to know about dogs and kids, I'll be happy to talk to them about our experiences. One thing I can tell you for sure.......there is always a dog waiting for their perfect home. Keep looking. And brace yourself for the "food wars"............lol Ileana **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. 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