In a message dated 10/14/2005 10:40:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, holly@xxxxxxxxx writes: Plus, the only time a dog gets ROM points is at the National for Maturity/Futurity Victor and Victrix and if you think I'm insulted....... So, bringing the pet puppies out to the local Futurities does nothing for the breeder. The sire and dam get points in the Futurity/Maturity tabulations for every dog defeated. So, bringing every possible puppy out does indeed do something....show me the AKC points, lol:) Kathy three generations of Dual Titled Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================