WOW! I find this kind of thinking causing a HUGE chasm between Obedience and Conformation and I absolutely do not think that should be. Why shouldn't an Obedience dog be just as impressive as the Conformation dog and WHY shouldn't the Conformation dog be capable of any kind of work????? Maybe BECAUSE of owners......but not the Breed Standard!!! THERE IS NO SEPARATION!! Lets just keep it simple and stick with the Standard and this Breed will endure as long as we do.. Has anyone told Julie Degen or Lori Nickeson about this big separation??? <G> During all of this discussion that sounds like we are throwing whites out ......even though it is more about the Parent Club honoring the Breed Standard. Remember They have their own shows....their own Champions and their own National and National Awards! Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com Hi All; .................................. Allow dogs who are shown in Obedience be eligible for the GV award even if they have faults is should be totally acceptable. Dogs in performance are shown for their ability to learn and perform specific exercises, not based on the confirmation standard, it is not a beauty contest. Performance folks put a lot of time and energy training their dogs, so why should they not be eligible. If you want to compete in confirmation, you want a dog that is as close to the standard as possible. If you are competing in performance, you want good hips, elbows, temperament and brains, you are not looking at the beauty part. ............................................ Cathy Kelstar ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================